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Defintions of IPS
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The issue link is here. There has been some discussion of this at IC…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Edward theurj Berge Feb 10.

The agency of objects
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We've discussed this in various threads like object-oriented ontology and Edwards' work on social holons. In that light I came upon an interesting take on the agency of artifacts in light of the…Continue

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Romancing the Ning

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The intersection of pattern dynamics and integral postmetaphysical spirituality: What brings us together
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion From capitalism to the collaborative commons
"To end climate chaos we must end capitalism. My paper agrees with this assessment. "We need to fundamentally re-evaluate our relationship to ownership, work and capital. The impact of a dramatic reconfiguration of the industrial economy…"
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion From capitalism to the collaborative commons
"This video is in line with my paper's criticism of conscious capitalism. Dems capitulated to the swamp. And that ain't going to cut it. Old school Dems assumed corporate capitalism was a given and with good intentions thought with…"
Tuesday
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"From this article. Good luck with getting the power law religion, like any religion, to change. It too, like most religion, has to have a 'universal' to rule them all. Proponents even admit it is idealized, that the real world doesn't…"
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"After I posted the above in the Yahoo Adult Development forum, this is Commons' reply, which completely ignores the data and analysis provided and just reinforces an MHC tenet:"We have hundreds of studies that show that Rasch measured…"
Mar 14
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Knowing and unknowing reality: A beginner's and expert's developmental guide to post-metaphysical thinking
"And see this recent post in the real/false reason thread."
Mar 14
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Santa Fe Institute (SFI) has a recent, several part online course on fractals and scaling, summarized in the video below. Some real world objects indeed display fractal-like scaling but are limited within real world constraints, unlike abstract,…"
Mar 14
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Further discussion at the Yahoo Adult Development group. My last comment follows:Both Sara and Cory note that the MHC and the actual networks measured are two different things, apples and oranges. And yet the first reference is clear, in that the…"
Mar 12
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"See Sara's further response below. The articles directly question modeling actual complex networks using universal, scale-free models. And most real world networks don't display that tenet. I don't see how that can be missed…"
Mar 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"From the first Nature article: "These results indicate that genuinely scale-free networks are far less common than suggested by the literature, and that scale-free structure is not an empirically universal pattern. […] These results…"
Mar 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Knowing and unknowing reality: A beginner's and expert's developmental guide to post-metaphysical thinking
"Also see this and the following comment, relevant to the above. "
Mar 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion From capitalism to the collaborative commons
"I discussed this in my paper, how the 'conscious capitalism' of Whole Foods would fall prey to Amazon's degenerate capitalism, thereby undermining its own proclaimed conscious upgrading of a defunct system: Whole Foods cuts worker…"
Mar 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"the following from the same issue of Nature Communications, akin to the tenets of the MHC, which are at question. I've said much the same in this thread, but not in these scientific terms."The appeal of scale-free networks came from…"
Mar 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Sara Ross said of the Model of Hierarcical Complexity (MHC):"To possess 'universal, scale-free' properties means the MHC’s orders of hierarchical complexity are fractal. Fractal means the repetition of self-similar patterns at…"
Mar 8
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Generative enclosures, bubbles and magic circles
"Some comments from the FB thread on this paper: John:  I am very much enjoying the article . I am up to P6, which has a long quote from a previous article, Bruce Alderman, which concludes with references to Ferrer , Keller etc. I would have…"
Mar 3
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Is meta-theory necessary to an integral life?
"It is a common tenet in developmental models that one must frame an issue to the target audience that one intends to influence. Hence just throwing the AQAL model at people does not in itself connect with and/or influence them to change, often to…"
Mar 3
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Is meta-theory necessary to an integral life?
"The Stein study unequivocally answers my inquiry in the initial post. It was done with JFKU graduate students in the integral studies program. Just knowing the AQAL model does not in any way jump one to postformal (or so-called integral) cognition,…"
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At 3:01pm on December 11, 2017, Trish Nowland said…

Hi there,

Following Neelesh's comment - if there's still an interest in collating contributions, would it be possible to find out a little more detail about how we can contribute perspectives?

Many thanks for being in touch,

Trish

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At 6:27pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
LOL, hmm, I like the sound of that. I don't think so. Just was checking out what they're up to. Seems like it's pretty basic, not really touching much of what we explore here (that I can tell from the discussion).
At 6:21pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
There's an interfaith ministry program in New York called One Spirit that has recently opened a program to train people to be "integral spiritual mentors and ministers," led by Lynne Feldman and Joanne Ruben. There was a webinar today on this, which is just winding up.
At 2:08pm on March 26, 2010, shaman sun said…
Would be happy to discuss Gebser, thank you for the link! I'll post something up shortly.
At 2:26pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
no more so than anyone having an attachment to 'the end of enlightenment', or to the theory of hierarchical complexity ; ) ...no, i guess i'm trying to see if the state of dzogchen can be regarded differently, as something other than a metaphysical, transcendental 'given' -- i can't see any 'absolute giveness' inherent in the idea of infinite potentiality manifesting out of openess.
At 1:07pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
thanks for the link to the transpersonal psychology thread, and it's good to be talking about this with you now, because i wasn't able to raise this at the time. your posts then quoting Capriles were in reference to the pre-trans fallacy, and on having a look at the time at Beyond Mind 2, i came across the part i quoted in my previous message, which at the time made me think of your premise that the so called primordial or non-dual state (rigpa) was nothing more than, as you concisely put it, the state of pre-reflexive awareness integrated with the later ego. attempting to put jargon aside as much as possible, the dzogchen teaching distinguishes between the 'base-of-all' consciousness (kun.zhi nam.shes, a la yogachara, which doesn't automatically imply being present to/in rigpa -- i.e. one can rest in a half-asleep state of a base level of awareness without being in "instant presence") and the 'state of dzogchen', which is the inseparability of kun.zhi (here a different kind/meaning of 'kun.zhi') and rigpa. i'm hoping we don't end up again simply agreeing to differ...i'm wondering rather if you might consider that the kind of half-asleep awareness we can have when meditating, which can be running on automatic, is itself not apart from the ego - in fact the self/ego might be distractedly musing on something within this drowsy state - but from the point of view of the dzogchen teaching it is not the "instant presence" of (or being "instantly present in") the so called non-dual state. kind regards, best wishes.
At 2:53pm on March 23, 2010, Lol said…
hi theurj...can't find the relevant threads/posts now, but vis a vis your proposition that the so called natural/non-dual state is nothing more than the baseline, zero level of hierarchical complexity (my words not yours, as i can't quote you directly, but i'm hoping you'll accept them as adequately capturing your intended meaning), what do you think of the notion that this baseline/zero level might be better represented by "...the state known as base-of-all or kunzhi (kun gzhi) … as manifest when one cozily remains in the experience of the inner luminosity of dang (gdangs) energy known as tingsel (gting gsal)24 without reGnizing this luminosity (a reGnition that would turn it into an instance of the dharmakaya)" (Capriles: Beyond Mind 2 p.5), rather than the so called non-dual state of "instant presence" itself?
At 3:23pm on March 20, 2010, Joseph said…
Hi Edward

I just went back into an email you sent me from 2 years ago and requested to join the KW meetup group. So I haven't been yet but hope to check it out soon.

joseph
 
 
 
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