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Jean Knox - Archetype, Attachment, Analysis

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Jeremy Rifkin: The Green New Deal

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Do our models get in the way?
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Do our models get in the way? We've seen quite a few descriptions of an emerging paradigm known as the collaborative commons (CC). But a problem arises when we take another step by extrapolating from…Continue

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The root of power law religion
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A ‘power law’ refers specifically to a statistical relationship between quantities, such that a change in one quantity has a proportional change in another. One property of this law is scale…Continue

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Jean Knox - Archetype, Attachment, Analysis

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Oct 19
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"And of course this Lakoff article on the distinction: "Real reason is embodied in two ways. It is physical, in our brain circuitry. And it is based on our bodies as the function in the everyday world, using thought that arises from embodied…"
Sep 18
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"This post also highlights the difference between real and false reason."
Sep 18
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Do our models get in the way?
"Some excerpts from this essay on the topic follow consistent with this thread and an IPS more generally. "Being merely ‘intellectual’ or ‘dark’ won’t work. One also has to also be deep. How to be deep instead of…"
Sep 18
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Wilber of course does discuss states of consciousness in his AQAL model, even though imo he does tend to conflate them with a metaphysical realm. And Hanzi also discusses states in The Listening Society (chapters 12 and 13) as well as depth (chapter…"
Sep 17
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"I'm guessing Murray discussed the following from his IR article in one or both of the videos. It's something I explored years ago and in depth in this thread."Human wisdom can be understood in terms of two processes: complexity…"
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Jeremy Rifkin: The Green New Deal

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Sep 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Jeremy Rifkin
"Rifkin came out with a new book today: The Green New Deal."
Sep 10
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Check out this thread, of relevance to this one."
Sep 4
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"From this article:"A common graph mining task is community detection, which seeks an unsupervised decomposition of a network into groups based on statistical regularities in network connectivity. Although many such algorithms exist, community…"
Aug 31
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"Power laws are a burr in my butt today. From this article:"Many self-similar systems are scale invariant only in discrete steps. A blood vessel tends to branch into two smaller vessels, a fluid vortex into two or three smaller vortices, and the…"
Aug 31
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"Excerpts from The Number Sense by Dehaene, pp. 242-45 are below. I'd say whether or not one believes in Platonic math, both it and formal math are abstract with a priori axioms divorced from concrete reality. The intuitionist or constructivist…"
Aug 31
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"Nonlinearity in Living Systems is the title of a recently published e-book by Frontiers in Applied Mathematics and Statistics. Here's an excerpt from the introductory editorial."The biological basis of physiological signals is incredibly…"
Aug 31
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"From this piece, which feeds my thesis:"[...] a paradox known as the continuum hypothesis. Gödel showed that the statement cannot be proved either true or false using standard mathematical language. [...It] efficiently boils down to a…"
Aug 31
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"This chart/image helps with some of the ideas above. E.g., #16 noting multiple scales and levels interacting, reminding me of Mascolo's quote above. Although #15 claims that "complex systems are often nested hierarchies." Which of…"
Aug 31
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion The root of power law religion
"This morning I was re-reading a paper I co-authored with Michel Bauwens, which reminded me of the above discussion. From footnote 2 of that article:Bryant (2011b) discusses how Bhaskar sees the difference between the transcendent and transcendental.…"
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At 3:01pm on December 11, 2017, Trish Nowland said…

Hi there,

Following Neelesh's comment - if there's still an interest in collating contributions, would it be possible to find out a little more detail about how we can contribute perspectives?

Many thanks for being in touch,

Trish

At 7:53am on November 18, 2017, Neelesh Marik said…

Can you share some details please on the initiative and the work involved? Thanks

At 6:27pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
LOL, hmm, I like the sound of that. I don't think so. Just was checking out what they're up to. Seems like it's pretty basic, not really touching much of what we explore here (that I can tell from the discussion).
At 6:21pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
There's an interfaith ministry program in New York called One Spirit that has recently opened a program to train people to be "integral spiritual mentors and ministers," led by Lynne Feldman and Joanne Ruben. There was a webinar today on this, which is just winding up.
At 2:08pm on March 26, 2010, shaman sun said…
Would be happy to discuss Gebser, thank you for the link! I'll post something up shortly.
At 2:26pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
no more so than anyone having an attachment to 'the end of enlightenment', or to the theory of hierarchical complexity ; ) ...no, i guess i'm trying to see if the state of dzogchen can be regarded differently, as something other than a metaphysical, transcendental 'given' -- i can't see any 'absolute giveness' inherent in the idea of infinite potentiality manifesting out of openess.
At 1:07pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
thanks for the link to the transpersonal psychology thread, and it's good to be talking about this with you now, because i wasn't able to raise this at the time. your posts then quoting Capriles were in reference to the pre-trans fallacy, and on having a look at the time at Beyond Mind 2, i came across the part i quoted in my previous message, which at the time made me think of your premise that the so called primordial or non-dual state (rigpa) was nothing more than, as you concisely put it, the state of pre-reflexive awareness integrated with the later ego. attempting to put jargon aside as much as possible, the dzogchen teaching distinguishes between the 'base-of-all' consciousness (kun.zhi nam.shes, a la yogachara, which doesn't automatically imply being present to/in rigpa -- i.e. one can rest in a half-asleep state of a base level of awareness without being in "instant presence") and the 'state of dzogchen', which is the inseparability of kun.zhi (here a different kind/meaning of 'kun.zhi') and rigpa. i'm hoping we don't end up again simply agreeing to differ...i'm wondering rather if you might consider that the kind of half-asleep awareness we can have when meditating, which can be running on automatic, is itself not apart from the ego - in fact the self/ego might be distractedly musing on something within this drowsy state - but from the point of view of the dzogchen teaching it is not the "instant presence" of (or being "instantly present in") the so called non-dual state. kind regards, best wishes.
At 2:53pm on March 23, 2010, Lol said…
hi theurj...can't find the relevant threads/posts now, but vis a vis your proposition that the so called natural/non-dual state is nothing more than the baseline, zero level of hierarchical complexity (my words not yours, as i can't quote you directly, but i'm hoping you'll accept them as adequately capturing your intended meaning), what do you think of the notion that this baseline/zero level might be better represented by "...the state known as base-of-all or kunzhi (kun gzhi) … as manifest when one cozily remains in the experience of the inner luminosity of dang (gdangs) energy known as tingsel (gting gsal)24 without reGnizing this luminosity (a reGnition that would turn it into an instance of the dharmakaya)" (Capriles: Beyond Mind 2 p.5), rather than the so called non-dual state of "instant presence" itself?
At 3:23pm on March 20, 2010, Joseph said…
Hi Edward

I just went back into an email you sent me from 2 years ago and requested to join the KW meetup group. So I haven't been yet but hope to check it out soon.

joseph
At 4:11pm on March 18, 2010, Mary W. said…
Ningbat: LOL!
 
 
 
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