Hey folks.I've been a member of Gaia for a long time now, since back when it was Zaadz. Although it's sad to see the place go, there is still a lot of opportunity to build and find communities in…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by xibalba Mar 29, 2010.
"Also see Appendix II of Integral Spirituality (p. 271) which starts with a section called "What is postmetaphysics." E.g.:
"Kant’s critical philosophy replaced ontological objects with structures of the subject. In essence, this…"
"Habermas also has a chapter on Mead in PT. I put a placemarker thread on Mead in this forum linking to its predecessor Gaia IPS thread. A few quotes from the prior thread are in the link relevant to this topic."
"Let's also consult Habermas, since he wrote Postmetaphysical Thinking. From the SEP entry on him:
"Habermas adopts a more naturalistic, 'postmetaphysical' approach (1992a), characterized by the fallible hermeneutic…"
"I'm returning to this thread since it is a good question, one that defines a part of name of the forum. I'm quoting from Bryant's Democracy of Objects below, as it is clarifying in this regard:
"Bhaskar's defense of…"
"Interesting discussion so far. Balder, I've been reading the book too. About halfway through with it now. Yes there's definitely a narcissistic pinch to the philosophy. Although it's talking about the transcendent, this egoic flavor,…"
"I am not interested in defending PMS. There is nothing to defend. If there were something, an essence or whatever, then it would be just another hidden metaphysics.
That would'nt even be a problem, as long as the metaphysical assuptions would…"
"Yes. This is why Nirvana doesn't work in the long run. Immañuel Kant says basically the same thing: that our perception of reality is influenced by our interpretations about it. Or, in Einsteins terms: "It is the theory which…"
"One of the angles we've explored here in past discussions of 'post-metaphysics,' is that a post-metaphysical approach is better understood, not as one which avoids metaphysics altogether, but rather, as a critically informed…"
"Hey S Marty Pants,
I deeply appreciate you pointing this out and feel it cuts to the heart of the issue. I believe a lot of Wilber's integral has overly intellectualized itself and fallen into the same trap as the rational-structure.
"Here is my comment from the “witness consciousness” thread, 3/22/10 @ 8:13 pm:
“Quick comment on metaphysics and postmetaphysics: It depends on how we are defining them. As you can see from the last post metaphysics is synonymous…"
"Hi, Jer, RL,
Often, yes, the word "metaphysics" (or "metaphysical") is identified with various "paranormal" phenomena or realms or whatever. Go to a local book store and just look at the types of books in the…"
I started a thread on Gebser at the old pod at this link. I also saved the thread as was thinking of starting a new thread on Gebser here linking to the Google docs where its stored. If you want to start the thread please do and I'll provide the new link.
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