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From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds by Daniel Dennett
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Google talk on his new book, From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds. The blurb:"How did we come to have minds? For centuries, this question has intrigued psychologists, physicists,…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Edward theurj Berge Sep 16, 2017.

Zak Stein's Lectical analysis of interpretations of AQAL
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Zak Stein did a measurement study of how JFK graduate students in integral theory and practice programs thought…Continue

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The Allure of Things: Process and Object in Contemporary Philosophy
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Edited by Roland Faber and Andrew Goffey (NY: Bloomsbury, 2014) available…Continue

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Postmetaphysical Thinking II

by Jurgen Habermas‘There is no alternative to postmetaphysical thinking’: this statement, made by…Continue

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Edward theurj Berge replied to Layman Pascal's discussion INTEGRAL ANTI-CAPITALISM cont'd.
"Some self awareness for you. Know on what your lifestyle depends. Knowing this do you still want that lifestyle? Also know that such a lifestyle is also contributing to climate chaos. Yes, you did that."
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Lady Gaga
"Oscar bound:"
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"What's next? Super-post-trans-meta-cross-what da fa?"
Sep 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Edwards get at this from his own angle via with his four orders of holonic relations: Intra, inter, systemic and inter-systemic (189-90). Intra-holonic order is the dynamics within an individual holon, often the focus of developmentalists.…"
Sep 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Which of course reminds me of Bryant's discussion of intension and extension relationships in Badiou's set theory. In the former the elements of the set are ordered in a particular way, whereas in the latter the elements can be related in…"
Sep 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"In the above referenced Edwards book he discussed 3 different kinds of holarchy: developmental, ecological and governance (132). This might or not refer to different kinds of set theory. E.g.: "In true governance holarchies, more encompassing…"
Sep 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"In chapter 2 of Sattler's book, Wilber's AQAL Model and Beyond, he reiterates a point I've long made in the "Real and false reason thread" regarding set theories: Some sets are fuzzy, meaning a member can be both partially…"
Sep 26
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"And yet Lakoff said this about set theory, which is built at least in part on the container schema:"The same is true of set theory. There are lots and lots of set theories, each defined by different axioms. You can construct a set theory in…"
Sep 26
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"I was just re-reading some of Lakoff & Nunez, Where Mathematics Comes From. Even in math there is no one correct or universal math. There are equally valid but mutually inconsistent maths depending on one's premised axioms (354-55). This is…"
Sep 26
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"Now Edwards admits that he's using the holonic lens as a 'scaffold' to accommodate all the lenses (189). That lens is the container schema according to cogsci. And it has its own premises and inferences that apply to that schema, but…"
Sep 26
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"A similar sentiment from Lakoff from a metaphoric angle: "The science and the social sciences all use causal theories, but the metaphors for causation can vary widely and thus so can the kinds of causal inferences you can draw. Again, there is…"
Sep 26
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion Real and false reason
"I downloaded Mark Edwards' 2010 book at the bottom of the initial post in this thread. Check out the different lenses in Chapter 6 and how he relates them in Chapter 7. "In general, theorists rely on only a small number of conceptual…"
Sep 26
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Developing tensegrity in the human body. Continuing the last post, here's an example of applying compression and leverage in a Tai Chi form, performed by Master Zeng Chen Dong."
Aug 28
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"I found a free copy of Synergetics by Buckminster Fuller here, of particular interest to us syntegralists. The following sections relate to my writing on leverage and compression here. 792.30: Tension and Compression: Everything we call structure is…"
Aug 28
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Actually read the whole thing, as it critiques philosophy based on Aristotelian necessary and sufficient conditions, later expounded on in Philosophy in the Flesh, copy here. "
Aug 14
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Also see Chapter 2 in Lakoff's book Women, Fire and Dangerous Things entitled "From Wittgenstein to Rosch." A copy of the book is here."
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At 3:01pm on December 11, 2017, Trish Nowland said…

Hi there,

Following Neelesh's comment - if there's still an interest in collating contributions, would it be possible to find out a little more detail about how we can contribute perspectives?

Many thanks for being in touch,

Trish

At 7:53am on November 18, 2017, Neelesh Marik said…

Can you share some details please on the initiative and the work involved? Thanks

At 6:27pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
LOL, hmm, I like the sound of that. I don't think so. Just was checking out what they're up to. Seems like it's pretty basic, not really touching much of what we explore here (that I can tell from the discussion).
At 6:21pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
There's an interfaith ministry program in New York called One Spirit that has recently opened a program to train people to be "integral spiritual mentors and ministers," led by Lynne Feldman and Joanne Ruben. There was a webinar today on this, which is just winding up.
At 2:08pm on March 26, 2010, shaman sun said…
Would be happy to discuss Gebser, thank you for the link! I'll post something up shortly.
At 2:26pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
no more so than anyone having an attachment to 'the end of enlightenment', or to the theory of hierarchical complexity ; ) ...no, i guess i'm trying to see if the state of dzogchen can be regarded differently, as something other than a metaphysical, transcendental 'given' -- i can't see any 'absolute giveness' inherent in the idea of infinite potentiality manifesting out of openess.
At 1:07pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
thanks for the link to the transpersonal psychology thread, and it's good to be talking about this with you now, because i wasn't able to raise this at the time. your posts then quoting Capriles were in reference to the pre-trans fallacy, and on having a look at the time at Beyond Mind 2, i came across the part i quoted in my previous message, which at the time made me think of your premise that the so called primordial or non-dual state (rigpa) was nothing more than, as you concisely put it, the state of pre-reflexive awareness integrated with the later ego. attempting to put jargon aside as much as possible, the dzogchen teaching distinguishes between the 'base-of-all' consciousness (kun.zhi nam.shes, a la yogachara, which doesn't automatically imply being present to/in rigpa -- i.e. one can rest in a half-asleep state of a base level of awareness without being in "instant presence") and the 'state of dzogchen', which is the inseparability of kun.zhi (here a different kind/meaning of 'kun.zhi') and rigpa. i'm hoping we don't end up again simply agreeing to differ...i'm wondering rather if you might consider that the kind of half-asleep awareness we can have when meditating, which can be running on automatic, is itself not apart from the ego - in fact the self/ego might be distractedly musing on something within this drowsy state - but from the point of view of the dzogchen teaching it is not the "instant presence" of (or being "instantly present in") the so called non-dual state. kind regards, best wishes.
At 2:53pm on March 23, 2010, Lol said…
hi theurj...can't find the relevant threads/posts now, but vis a vis your proposition that the so called natural/non-dual state is nothing more than the baseline, zero level of hierarchical complexity (my words not yours, as i can't quote you directly, but i'm hoping you'll accept them as adequately capturing your intended meaning), what do you think of the notion that this baseline/zero level might be better represented by "...the state known as base-of-all or kunzhi (kun gzhi) … as manifest when one cozily remains in the experience of the inner luminosity of dang (gdangs) energy known as tingsel (gting gsal)24 without reGnizing this luminosity (a reGnition that would turn it into an instance of the dharmakaya)" (Capriles: Beyond Mind 2 p.5), rather than the so called non-dual state of "instant presence" itself?
At 3:23pm on March 20, 2010, Joseph said…
Hi Edward

I just went back into an email you sent me from 2 years ago and requested to join the KW meetup group. So I haven't been yet but hope to check it out soon.

joseph
 
 
 
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