I just discovered this Journal by the above name and it's open access. It's a relatively new emerging field that is rapidly expanding. The first issue of the Journal (2011) gives an overview. This Psychology Today article provides some interesting material. It provides 3 guiding principles for the transition to…See More
"The link for the last post is here. The following is from this link:
"Hierarchical organization is a corner stone of complexity and multifractality constitutes its central quantifying concept. For model uniform cascades the corresponding…"
"The crux of the issue is that monofractals are symmetrically self-similar at each iteration. Multifractals are not. Multifractals weave 2 or more fractals which each iterate differently creating asymmetry. Which is indeed the case with natural…"
"As I have no math background this is difficult for me to understand when that language is used. So I've been looking around for some basic introductions to the topic to get the gist. I found this series to be helpful. In the link it relates…"
"Cory: Compare with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_invariance
Me: I did. While fractals might have self-similar scaling, multifractals have "multiple scaling factors at play at once." So when you have several fractals interacting…"
"Sara: I don’t have time to get into this but just based on what you wrote below, calculating the fractal dimension (fd) of (usually large-sized) sample data over time to test for a power law is “one thing” (let’s say apples)…"
"Some further comments:
Me: Some of the references I've provided show that cognitive functioning, and natural phenomenon generally, operate via multifractal cascades, not linear, repeated, monofractal similarities. The latter are an imposition…"
"The Guardian has a new "long read" about T. Morton, OOO, and the concept of The Anthropocene.
"It is through hyperobjects that we initially confront the Anthropocene, Morton argues. One of his most influential books, itself…"
"Here are some references Sara Ross of the AD Forum gave me:
Ross, S. N. & Ware, K. (2013). Hypothesizing the body's genius to trigger and self-organize its healing: 25 years using a standardized neurophysics therapy.…"
"I also posted this on the Adult Development Forum:
Some of the references I've provided show that cognitive functioning, and natural phenomenon generally, operate via multifractal cascades, not linear, repeated, monofractal similarities. The…"
"Continuing thispost (and several following on the next page), this article reiterates my original inquiry. E.g.:
"Simple, straightforward linear models can exhibit the celebrated 'self-similarity' of fractals, that is, the similarity…"
"Commons said in message 24: "That is why he is transitional to metasystematic. He is at step5 in Sara's and my scheme. He has smashed together the elements and is making some hits and lots of overgeneralizations." FYI, see…"
"Back in '09 I started a thread at the Yahoo Adult Development forum by asking these questions:
"Just curious, has anyone done hierarchical complexity testing on the AQAL model itself to validate its self-proclaimed status as a…"
"Also see this Yahoo Adult Development thread on states and stages. One has to expand the messages with the arrows to see them all. My post in message 34 follows:
Herb Koplowitz wrote:"I would now say that the states that spiritual…"
LOL, hmm, I like the sound of that. I don't think so. Just was checking out what they're up to. Seems like it's pretty basic, not really touching much of what we explore here (that I can tell from the discussion).
There's an interfaith ministry program in New York called One Spirit that has recently opened a program to train people to be "integral spiritual mentors and ministers," led by Lynne Feldman and Joanne Ruben. There was a webinar today on this, which is just winding up.
no more so than anyone having an attachment to 'the end of enlightenment', or to the theory of hierarchical complexity ; ) ...no, i guess i'm trying to see if the state of dzogchen can be regarded differently, as something other than a metaphysical, transcendental 'given' -- i can't see any 'absolute giveness' inherent in the idea of infinite potentiality manifesting out of openess.
thanks for the link to the transpersonal psychology thread, and it's good to be talking about this with you now, because i wasn't able to raise this at the time. your posts then quoting Capriles were in reference to the pre-trans fallacy, and on having a look at the time at Beyond Mind 2, i came across the part i quoted in my previous message, which at the time made me think of your premise that the so called primordial or non-dual state (rigpa) was nothing more than, as you concisely put it, the state of pre-reflexive awareness integrated with the later ego. attempting to put jargon aside as much as possible, the dzogchen teaching distinguishes between the 'base-of-all' consciousness (kun.zhi nam.shes, a la yogachara, which doesn't automatically imply being present to/in rigpa -- i.e. one can rest in a half-asleep state of a base level of awareness without being in "instant presence") and the 'state of dzogchen', which is the inseparability of kun.zhi (here a different kind/meaning of 'kun.zhi') and rigpa. i'm hoping we don't end up again simply agreeing to differ...i'm wondering rather if you might consider that the kind of half-asleep awareness we can have when meditating, which can be running on automatic, is itself not apart from the ego - in fact the self/ego might be distractedly musing on something within this drowsy state - but from the point of view of the dzogchen teaching it is not the "instant presence" of (or being "instantly present in") the so called non-dual state. kind regards, best wishes.
hi theurj...can't find the relevant threads/posts now, but vis a vis your proposition that the so called natural/non-dual state is nothing more than the baseline, zero level of hierarchical complexity (my words not yours, as i can't quote you directly, but i'm hoping you'll accept them as adequately capturing your intended meaning), what do you think of the notion that this baseline/zero level might be better represented by "...the state known as base-of-all or kunzhi (kun gzhi) … as manifest when one cozily remains in the experience of the inner luminosity of dang (gdangs) energy known as tingsel (gting gsal)24 without reGnizing this luminosity (a reGnition that would turn it into an instance of the dharmakaya)" (Capriles: Beyond Mind 2 p.5), rather than the so called non-dual state of "instant presence" itself?
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