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From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds by Daniel Dennett
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Google talk on his new book, From Bacteria to Bach and Back: The Evolution of Minds. The blurb:"How did we come to have minds? For centuries, this question has intrigued psychologists, physicists,…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by Edward theurj Berge Sep 16, 2017.

Zak Stein's Lectical analysis of interpretations of AQAL
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Zak Stein did a measurement study of how JFK graduate students in integral theory and practice programs thought…Continue

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The Allure of Things: Process and Object in Contemporary Philosophy
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Edited by Roland Faber and Andrew Goffey (NY: Bloomsbury, 2014) available…Continue

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Postmetaphysical Thinking II

by Jurgen Habermas‘There is no alternative to postmetaphysical thinking’: this statement, made by…Continue

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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"I also recommend Levi Bryant's free e-book, The Democracy of Objects. He frames organizational closure in terms of endo-relations, and structural openness in terms of exo-relations, which I discussed at the beginning and throughout this…"
Jun 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Also see Maturana's seminal paper "Organization of the living." Therein he notes that all the subsystems of an organism are subservient to the autopoiesis of the system, yet each of those subsystems have their own operationally closed…"
Jun 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"From this source: "Varela, Thompson, and Rosch (1991), from the perspective of cognitive science, described this process as 'structural coupling.' The brain is structurally coupled to the body, and the body is structurally coupled to…"
Jun 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"From this source: "It’s important to understand that when two autonomous systems (e.g., two psychic systems or two different function systems) structurally couple, there is not a third system that emerges through combination. That is to…"
Jun 29
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"I'm also reminded of this post earlier in the thread. "To read Gebser in a Hegelian manner, as Ken Wilber does with his popular slogan 'transcend and include,' is, in a sense, to grasp the letter of Gebser while missing the…"
Jun 25
DavidM58 replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Thanks for sharing this, Edward; good stuff. Especially liking your closing paragraph, so I will repeat it here for emphasis:"Only with integral-aperspectival awareness do we 'integrate' the various levels-systems, not by subsuming…"
Jun 24
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"Is it rationalto trust your gut feelings? It depends, of course. Ideally rationality works with feelings to make the best decisions. Too much in either direction can lead us astray. Unbalanced rationality can lead to ad-hoc rationalizations or…"
Jun 24
Edward theurj Berge replied to Layman Pascal's discussion INTEGRAL ANTI-CAPITALISM cont'd.
"What's wrong with capitalism? Part one, part two."
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Layman Pascal's discussion INTEGRAL ANTI-CAPITALISM cont'd.
"Thanks crapitalism, an ad by the Democratic Socialists of America."
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"From Integral Renewal: A Relational and Renewal Perspective by Lassem and Schieffer, Routledge, 2016, p. 391:"Instead then of seeing the world in terms of conceptual categories of a logic of contradiction [...] we view it in terms of a logic of…"
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion States, stages, the WC lattice and the fold
"The Cilliars article above has a broken link. This one works."
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Layman Pascal's discussion INTEGRAL ANTI-CAPITALISM cont'd.
"Market socialism as viable alternative to neoliberalism. An excerpt: "Political and economic thinking is currently dominated by neoliberal economic ideology and, in the mature capitalist societies, socialism as a counter ideology has weakened…"
May 30
Edward theurj Berge replied to Edward theurj Berge's discussion A note on neologisms
"Parametaic, from paragraph paragraph 57 of Abramson's criticism of Peterson, an enactive strategy in which I've long engaged. I call it parametaic."The inductive side of the solution for Twitter being shit is developing an…"
May 21
Edward theurj Berge replied to Layman Pascal's discussion INTEGRAL ANTI-CAPITALISM cont'd.
"The democratic confederalism in Rojava. Rojava is an autonomous region in northern Syria. This wiki describes democratic confederalism, and this wiki expands on Rojava. It is a hybrid form of libertarian socialism and direct democracy. Some…"
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Edward theurj Berge replied to Layman Pascal's discussion INTEGRAL ANTI-CAPITALISM cont'd.
"Also see Heron's latest writings on spirituality, where he said:"Life-style transformation, in this inquiry practice, brings about the products of decision-making, fulfilling in co-operative action inquiry its intended outcomes. It…"
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At 3:01pm on December 11, 2017, Trish Nowland said…

Hi there,

Following Neelesh's comment - if there's still an interest in collating contributions, would it be possible to find out a little more detail about how we can contribute perspectives?

Many thanks for being in touch,

Trish

At 7:53am on November 18, 2017, Neelesh Marik said…

Can you share some details please on the initiative and the work involved? Thanks

At 6:27pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
LOL, hmm, I like the sound of that. I don't think so. Just was checking out what they're up to. Seems like it's pretty basic, not really touching much of what we explore here (that I can tell from the discussion).
At 6:21pm on September 27, 2010, Balder said…
There's an interfaith ministry program in New York called One Spirit that has recently opened a program to train people to be "integral spiritual mentors and ministers," led by Lynne Feldman and Joanne Ruben. There was a webinar today on this, which is just winding up.
At 2:08pm on March 26, 2010, shaman sun said…
Would be happy to discuss Gebser, thank you for the link! I'll post something up shortly.
At 2:26pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
no more so than anyone having an attachment to 'the end of enlightenment', or to the theory of hierarchical complexity ; ) ...no, i guess i'm trying to see if the state of dzogchen can be regarded differently, as something other than a metaphysical, transcendental 'given' -- i can't see any 'absolute giveness' inherent in the idea of infinite potentiality manifesting out of openess.
At 1:07pm on March 24, 2010, Lol said…
thanks for the link to the transpersonal psychology thread, and it's good to be talking about this with you now, because i wasn't able to raise this at the time. your posts then quoting Capriles were in reference to the pre-trans fallacy, and on having a look at the time at Beyond Mind 2, i came across the part i quoted in my previous message, which at the time made me think of your premise that the so called primordial or non-dual state (rigpa) was nothing more than, as you concisely put it, the state of pre-reflexive awareness integrated with the later ego. attempting to put jargon aside as much as possible, the dzogchen teaching distinguishes between the 'base-of-all' consciousness (kun.zhi nam.shes, a la yogachara, which doesn't automatically imply being present to/in rigpa -- i.e. one can rest in a half-asleep state of a base level of awareness without being in "instant presence") and the 'state of dzogchen', which is the inseparability of kun.zhi (here a different kind/meaning of 'kun.zhi') and rigpa. i'm hoping we don't end up again simply agreeing to differ...i'm wondering rather if you might consider that the kind of half-asleep awareness we can have when meditating, which can be running on automatic, is itself not apart from the ego - in fact the self/ego might be distractedly musing on something within this drowsy state - but from the point of view of the dzogchen teaching it is not the "instant presence" of (or being "instantly present in") the so called non-dual state. kind regards, best wishes.
At 2:53pm on March 23, 2010, Lol said…
hi theurj...can't find the relevant threads/posts now, but vis a vis your proposition that the so called natural/non-dual state is nothing more than the baseline, zero level of hierarchical complexity (my words not yours, as i can't quote you directly, but i'm hoping you'll accept them as adequately capturing your intended meaning), what do you think of the notion that this baseline/zero level might be better represented by "...the state known as base-of-all or kunzhi (kun gzhi) … as manifest when one cozily remains in the experience of the inner luminosity of dang (gdangs) energy known as tingsel (gting gsal)24 without reGnizing this luminosity (a reGnition that would turn it into an instance of the dharmakaya)" (Capriles: Beyond Mind 2 p.5), rather than the so called non-dual state of "instant presence" itself?
At 3:23pm on March 20, 2010, Joseph said…
Hi Edward

I just went back into an email you sent me from 2 years ago and requested to join the KW meetup group. So I haven't been yet but hope to check it out soon.

joseph
At 4:11pm on March 18, 2010, Mary W. said…
Ningbat: LOL!
 
 
 
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