Participatory Spirituality for the 21st Century
Thinking that says direct knowing is a chimera because all knowing is mediated is Newtonian thing-thinking.... Quantum thinking...reinstates direct knowing as central to the thinking, knowing process....it is unmediated, direct, non-causal.
I'm not buying. This all sounds a lot like Chopra's quantum soup that we explored here and here. Now Tom does make some good points elsewhere in the article with which I agree, and I can talk about those latter.
my 2 cents comes with the recognition that i am a somewhat deficient little green devil! what i'm wondering is whether this kind of argument is where kenny and company get their spiritual darwinism from? love, love, love?
i have noticed that many cosmologists- tom's essay seems to be coming from cosmology- are some kind of theists, while biologists and chemists, etc., are more prone to atheism or skeptical agnosticism?
zizek mentions that most criticism of religion/spirituality is by its very nature disrespectful?
good to hear that your still kickin' it tom! well, in my mind atomic physics is a part of cosmology, or the study of the universe.....
you must know that this territory can go to woo-woo pretty quickly! so, i think some of sam harris' advice on the vid that bruce posted today should probably be heeded when one ventures into this kind of discussion . hey, sam has been ripping off my ideas! hehehe
so, teal gets spiritual again? damn i was having so much fun being an atheist!
lol! yes, i've heard that einstein couldn't wrap his head around qm. i think he called it spooky; the whole non-local thing and all. btw., for the record, i kind of dig theoretical physics ala brian greene, and michio kaku and all; flights of imagination , 11 dimensions of hyper-space, etc. very interesting theorizing....
but to say that the universe is being driven by love doesn't really do any thing for me personally. could be, but it sounds more like a religious assertion.....
Hi, Tom, a brief note now, with more to come:
I follow what you are saying, and see some interesting parallels in Buddhism (Zen, Dzogchen) and TSK. Regarding the latter, TSK has a somewhat difficult notion called the 'read-out principle,' where 'read-outs' are whole, all-at-once, acausal 'presentations' or 'spontaneous emergences.' Causal patterns and sequences and relationships can still be traced out, but in each case, such tracing and such identified patterns would be inseparable from a given acausal read-out. I can return later with some examples of this. In TSK teaching, the 'read-out principle' is usually introduced (a la Madhyamaka) through a thorough deconstructive causal analysis, a mining into causality that is also an undermining.
Re: woo-woo, in TSK, it is in this context -- a causality-transcending-and-including move -- that the word 'magic' is introduced.
I may have shared this with you before, Tom, but if not, here's one essay which may have something to contribute to the line of thought (on light, information, and consciousness) you've developed in your most recent post:
Great to see you back here. I've always loved reading your thoughts on light/consciousness/ biophysics. :-)
"Because each organism produces light of a particular frequency and signature, its biophotonic holograph will be particular to it and, presumably, immediately accessible by it."
Is my underlined part of your statement a recognised scientific fact in the field of biophysics? I am a total non expert in this field and had not considered that something such as a biophotonic holograph even existed, either as a concept or as a "measurable reality". That each organism might have such a (measuarable, provable?) biophotonic integrity seems to have all kinds of (light-based) implications for health and well being.
And as an esoteric aside, do you have any thoughts about how "inner light" experiences such as kundalini might relate to any of your main observations?
But this stuff is really hard to describe, and if I condense any further, my already cryptic language will become absolutely impenetrable. I haven't found a way around that problem.
Yes, I am having difficulty understanding this, hence my lack of comments so far. I'm giving it some time to settle into my subconsciousness to see what pops out.