Participatory Spirituality for the 21st Century
What is the essence of Religion?
What are the elements of its fully realized form?
How does this appear at each major phase of historical complexity?
This thread solicits feedback about notes I am currently tinkering with.
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Hi. Last month I working to elucidate my oft-stated remarks about "mythocolloquialism". That is my fancy-fun word for the culturally deleterious effects of non-translated terms ("adam" in the Bible, "hippocampus" in the brain, etc.) and the persistent necessity to revitalize colloquial language by clarifying its trans-temporal and authentically mythic (generic) dimension. Sounds great? Well, this project was spontaneously enfolded by more general articulation on all facets of the true Religion.
So this post presents my notes for the appendix to what I am calling This Whole "Religion" Thing. My hope is that you will suggest any elements which may be missing from my list of essential aspects of fully-realized religion. And also any quibbles or suggestions regarding the elaboration of these elements in the different "levels" of development.
My orienting presumption that religion cannot be rationally or authentically defined on the basis of a summary reaction to those parties which conventionally identify themselves as "religious" in an organized or traditional sense.
The fact that they inhabit a perspective which strikes themselves as valid is no obstacle to our definition of religion according our own complexity -- provided only that our definition includes, and accounts for, theirs alongside many other definitions.
The active form of integrative meta-theoretical (or Dionysian) understanding must propose its own understanding rather than remaining merely or exclusively concentrated in reactive evaluation and critical appraisal of definitions associated with less comprehensive viewpoints.
I will be editing this opening post in response to feedback and my own ongoing thoughts and thereafter I will compose my appendix on its basis. So without further ado:
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RELIGION is characterized by the following key elements:
Theology
Mythology
Spirituality
Embedded Rituals
Ethical Mobilization
Presumption of Inclusion
Bond-deepening Practices
Aesthetic Cultivation
Divine Communion
Exploitation of History
Cultural Convergence
Theory of Group
Transpartisan Politics
Responsible Theory of Mind
Consecrations
Not all religious phenomena demonstrate all these elements -- just like not every nutritious meal contains all the nutrients needed to survive. Yet every "religionizing" cultural field expresses many of these and increasingly tries to approximate the full form of religion in so far as its circumstances, intelligence and health will permit.
Let us examine these crucial elements in slightly more detail:
Theology involves:
Philosophy of Terminology - Every religion has some idea about the appropriate definition of
an Apex Signifier (often but not exclusively called “God” in English)
the nature of Religion,
the condition of enhanced productive alignment with an experiential bio-cultural field
Infidels (agents not aligned with the field or its ethos),
Heretics (aligned agents who profess or are tempted by arguments which insufficiently or misleadingly describe the edifying power of the field
Devils (intolerable agents who operate “as if” they were intentionally motivated to break hearts and bodies, to annihilate themselves and others, to injure their cultural field and ruin the promise of the biosphere).
Theodicy - a coherence-repairing set of notions which emotionally secure the individual and collective positive relationship to the cosmos in the face of horrible disruptions, trauma, inherent suffering & evil. The popular inquiry "How can God permit Evil?" is only one style of this general attempt to secure the religious coherence of psyche, society and cosmology.
Theogony - a set of basic principles for discussing the origin and status of the value-laden universe.
Mythology - the poetic, therapeutic, artistic-entertaining & colloquial communication and contemplation of generic qualities and symbolic psychophysical powers.
Spirituality - the promulgation of particular self-developmental inner practices for individuals and the inclusion of various profound or self-luminous achievements associated with "grace" or "method".
Embedded Rituals - the assimilation (not creation!) of emergent social rituals, values and energized customs.
Ethical Mobilization - the incitement and/or organization of values-based public actions designed to amplify the influence of a bio-cultural ethos and improve the efficacy & qualitative effects of the socio-technological habits of a cultural field. Notably including:
protests
political strategy
martyrdom
Presumption of Inclusion - the active and voluntary habit of anticipating the essential goodness, trustworthiness, participatory membership, functional relatedness & extra-sectarian citizenship of all persons within your understanding of the general cultural background.
Bond-deepening Practices - strategies and routines for creating, strengthening, refining and deepening the supportive and productive interpersonal creative relationships that flourish within the existing cultural field.
Aesthetic Cultivation - the cultivation of the “emergent aesthetic peculiarity” of the group, epoch & worldspace of the contemporary cultural background.
Divine Communion - the notion, invitation and methods (culturally communicated) of creating intensified resonance between individuals and the "excessive peak coherence" of the total bio-cultural field. Generally involving emotional attentiveness (heart focus) to the intrinsically rewarding surplus dimension (“spirit”) which haunts a cultural field as a result of the effective integration of its component genres. Religion enfolds various individual transcendental possibilities (in first, second and third person modes modulated through various conceptions) and draws them into alignment with the a superlative intensity that is culturally hinted at in all "renaissances" and socially anticipated by the place-holder function of apex existential symbols.
Exploitation of History - a maximally accurate interpretation of known historical data that is subordinate to an optimistic (empowering/hopeful) narrative that implies the inevitability of the arising of the current religionizing field and anticipates the superlative telos/attractor state towards which it is unfolding.
Cultural Convergence - the active transdisciplinary attitude that intentionally operates across all social domains.
Theory of Group - an implicit or explicit theory of collective intelligence demonstrated as a style of group organization and decision-making; principles of group intelligence describe the systemic dimension of what cultures feel as 'fair' and 'just'.
Transpartisan Politics - enfolding, incorporating, creatively underwriting and exceeding the left/right polarization, masculine/feminine duality & major active enfolded cultural levels present during the advanced standard worldspace.
Responsible Theory of Mind - a doctrine which integrates the major prevalent contemporary notions of intentionality and challenges people in the direction of the integrated hybrid. A way of taking over and making productive the natural intention-projecting capacity of human minds.
HUMANIMALS
FORAGING / SCAVENGING / HUNTING / SIMPLE TOOLS & FOUND OBJECTS
Theology: These are pre-articulate, or barely articulate, human beings so it is almost impossible to describe a theology or grammar of their religiosity. The abstract grunt, the parental or body-like imagine of numinous self-power, the notion of "something else" may be said to populate the communicable logic of spiritualized proto-human society. Their theodicy is inseparable from the physical fabric of being. Animal life does not strongly distinguish its awareness from suffering and imperfection. And its cosmogony may be considered as the visceral sense simply "showing up". The obviousness of Things is the origin of things.
Mythology: The halo effect. An exaggerated aura may surround material, natural and animal experiences. An implied sense of Super-animals. The compulsive power of certain plants and places.
Spirituality: The mood at burial sites; the subjective engagement of sacred leaping; honor the predator with cautious alertness and sober memory; sitting still in body trance; basking; alertly sustaining watchfulness for prey; OCD as worship.
Embedded Rituals: The religious life of dawn humanity permeates and is virtually indistinguishable from the cultural resonances of hunting, eating, sleeping, mating, aging, dying.
Ethical Mobilization: Alert the pack to danger; encourage fleeing and fighting. Make marks on things and show them to other. Extend acts of revenge or respect over long periods of time. Martyrdom in the form of periodic risk to save the young and injured and in events of suicidal self-relinquishment in the face of depressing failure of the ethos of the pack.
Presumption of Inclusion: Eating and surviving together accomplishes a bond that runs deep. The born members and the acquired members of a pack merge fairly easily provided the stronger members do not become overly stressed or insane.
Bond-deepening Practices: Grooming and sleep proximity establish deeper connections; sexual pleasuring; food sharing;
Aesthetic Cultivation: The "style" of humanimal religion is accomplished rather minimally by factors like breeding choices and adaptation (overcompensation) to local environmental patterns.
Divine Communion: They sink mindlessly into pleasure, rest and pride which is at once a biological and low-level cultural event.
Exploitation of History: Special spots are returned to or avoided. Habits are demonstrated to children including tool-use. Trips are make to locations where old things of good or bad importance occurred. Burial zones may be used to indicate the past persistence of the pack.
Cultural Convergence: The imperative of the body colors and combines with all activities.
Theory of Group: Establish collective intelligence through visual organization of pack roles. Keep pack roles flexible by adjusting them according to physical bonding and tussles. Use freak outs to alert others of danger. Pacify any upset dominators that you care about. Use a “cool” alpha member to extend visual confidence by keeping their stress out of sight. Use boastful, strength-honoring betas to broadcast claims.
Transpartisan Politics: Both those who strongly identify with language and those who maintain a cynical distance from the semantic content of “words” are included as full pack members.
Responsible Theory of Mind: “it” happened.
Supra-Economics: Food sharing.
Anti-Fragility:
Consecrations: Somber moods, burial grounds, affirmative and uncanny free dance.
ABORIGINALS
SETTLEMENTS / LORE / MIGRATORY HUNTER-GATHERING CLANS
Theology: The term "Great Spirit" is associated with indigenous concepts. As is the "dreamtime" statement of bio-cultural ethos. Notions of the "Eldest" or "Ancient One" transpose the awakening awareness of matured psychology into the supreme signifiers. These are people who live very much by what is now called hypnosis or superstition. Violation of entrained habits and lore of the clan, and the unpredictable but familiar impulses of biospheric powers are the source of evil -- they can be pacified sometimes but must ultimately be incorporated through sacrifices. A distant creation moment is foreign to such psychology but a dim sense of the arising and vanishing of ancestors places them on a small section of a great circle resembling the seasons.
Mythology: The animal and plants are whispering or singing the world into exist from a sideways time in which the living, dead and unborn are continuous. Symbols are alive like portals into another world. Names are things become confused and co-resonant. The intuitive response to qualities in the natural world is a necessary form of logic for survival.
Spirituality: Trance repetitions, contemplation of sacred symbols, follow nonlinear prompts, heed ancestral voices, eat magic plants, surrender into ecstasy,
Embedded Rituals: Hunting, childbirth; burial. Sacrifice. Propitiation. Communion with Nature Powers. Problem solving by use of random chance. Group use of relaxant drugs.
Ethical Mobilization: Express group pleasure or displeasure through “charades” routines of approval/disapproval; the elderly going off to die on ice floes. Making dangerous efforts to preserve purely symbolic aspects of social life.
Presumption of Inclusion: We are all children of the Great Mother, etc. Man is conceived as a unitary type of being which makes each human being venerable in a certain sense and established in well-understood kinship with the natural world.
Bond-deepening Practices:
Aesthetic Cultivation: Get branded. Establish song-lines; style hair; mark experiences on objects. Repeat the evocative effects of spontaneous emotional-verbal glossolalia.
Divine Communion: Return to natural dream.
Exploitation of History: The shared dreamtime of all the natural beings embraced the ancestors and exists in a great cycle of return no matter what.
Cultural Convergence: Make jokes (integrate different stressful activities with generic humor). Everyone follows lore. Stay close together, brand each other in common ways
Theory of Group: Obey the stories and elders; hypnosis keeps a culture going.
Transpartisan Politics: Lore & counsel of elders (stories) are accepted by all as an currency of thought which unites disparate options.
Responsible Theory of Mind: Intentionally should be projected into all types of beings; animism; negotiation with nature is responsible.
Supra-Economics: Gifting rituals; ownerless trades; use of resources imposed upon by story-telling and insights born of trance states.
Anti-Fragility:
Consecrations: Making the Mark; forbidding certain foods, acts or locations; to trance upon; journeying to sacred sites.
BARBARIAN
VILLAGERS / NOMADIC RAIDERS / OWNERSHIP / TOOL-MAKING & TRADE
Theology: This involves associating the Apex Term with the apotheosis of Village Characters -- Great Chief, Great Hunter, Great Witch, Great Mother, Great Seer; similar villages (visually, racially, strength-wise) are heretical; dissimilar peoples are infidels. Evil appears to be the fault of weakness, competing tribes, or the failure to honor the Gods and Order of the Village Horde. It will persist until they are vanquished by strength and boldness in the honor of our emblems. In the beginning the Great Heroes rescued the world from Original Chaos and Titanic Dangers.
Mythology: Competing families of quasi-human villager-roamers operate all qualities with violation magic. Totem is secured by original taboo of the strong. Muscular and emotional demonstrations of etheric forcefulness both exemplify and organize the qualitative psychophysical "powers".
Spirituality: Lone journeying; the shaman's hut; the primal rave; battle trance; the ecstasy of victory; the deep appreciation of vertical differences (proto-altitudinal contemplation)
Embedded Rituals: Inter-tribal competition is made sacred; calendars enfold the village's year; drug taking is systematized; copulation is assimilated into public magic on behalf of private enterprises.
Ethical Mobilization: Protests are invented as a political tool. The shaman voices the religious concern to the chief. Berserkers are an example of "hero" as martyr to the cause of the tribe's glory. The flagrant suicide of individuals overwrought by the behavior or circumstances of the tribe.
Presumption of Inclusion: Villagers are honorable until proven weak; family ties are bestowed upon genetic and non-genetic alike; whoever generally looks like us and is not "pathetic" is given the benefit of the doubt.
Bond-deepening Practices: Sharing spoils, making treaties, self-expression and feasting ceremonies,
Aesthetic Cultivation: Totems of the tribe set a style in motion. Locally tradeable goods and the colors of the landscape form an aesthetic template. Artists are beginning to emerge and their "violation" of existing patterns is tolerated. The faces and postures demonstrated in inter-clan gathering and shamanic psychedelic voyaging direct stylistic evolution; successful tools are used massively and enshrined. the predilections of “big men” and “assertive matriarchs” guide the village's style.
Divine Communion: The emotional-physical ecstasy of battle is an invocation of the Great Chieftain. Drugs and trances that involve pushing deeply into the primal well of Emotional Force are presumed to be Ultimate. The mindless state which releases chaos in the service of the Highest Totem is a communion with the convergent surplus of the established culture. To embrace and be embraced by the excessive (and culturally mediated) power of the natural world.
Exploitation of History: Order was established by the arising of the Human-friendly Powers who gave pattern to the world and by fighting on their behalf we sustain it; if we fail it fails and we will be replaced.
Cultural Convergence: The village life provides a container for all the disparate human energies.
Theory of Group: Form villages and "fraternities" around totems; use mob intelligence; follow experience and visions; make use of weirdo-advisers; go raiding and divide spoils by loyalty and demonstrated prowess; seek private counsel between genders and public counsel among men.
Transpartisan Politics: Shaman and Chief operate as team; best warriors and matriarchs try to achieve volatile consensus; argument and contest and public charisma are used to assimilate intelligence from various sides of issues; everyone speaks up about decisions involving whole village; muttering rebuffs bad decisions; Protests are invented .
Responsible Theory of Mind: Only a few agent-like Great Powers in the natural world have full intentionality and have arranged to share it with human beings.
Supra-Economics: shamanic figures use demand, loyalty and uncanny effects to place themselves prominently in the "distribution of spoils" economy. "big men" invest in totems and self-expression festivals. trickle down & slavery are advocated as general enrichment schemes.
Anti-Fragility:
Consecrations: Glorification through gift-giving; use of masks to make event holy; village environment as field of empowerment; declaration of festival days and sites; sacred private spaces and property begin in earnest.
TRADITIONALISTS
PATRIOTIC-SYMBOLIC AGRARIANS / CITY-STATE / SECTARIAN OLIGARCHY-KINGDOMS
Theology: The apex signifier is associated with the Great Monarch who rules the many tribes. The name and role of this figure are ascendant beyond the temporary form. Heretics defy the bureaucratically established kingdom-wide "common sense" interpretation of scriptural dogma. Infidels are the "believers" from rival city-state kingdoms. The Original Plan governs all even when you do not understand it; decisions are already made in the great book. In the beginning the One made the world and assigned all roles in advance to serve his ethical agenda. His subjects constantly fail and therefore deserve their misery which must be constantly offset by tribute payments moving up the hierarchy toward the Absolute Lord.
Mythology: A courtly pageant of aristocratic super-beings under the overpowering presence of the Parental Monarch/s. Division of reality into Heavenly, Demonic and Middle-Kingdoms occupied by systematized and indexed entities who mythologically embody particular qualitative powers.
Spirituality: Ascending meditation, ascetic disciplines, mantra of divine names, formalized prayer,
Embedded Rituals: For example: Christmas is moved to take over Saturnalia, etc., spring festival, weddings, calendars, sex, name-givings, tribal friction becomes annual “sports” in the "capital cities". Going to War acquires patriotism and grave pageantry.
Ethical Mobilization: Building churches. Revivals. Missionary works begins. Deliberate education of the young in the religion begins. Attempts to influence power holders and secure the cultural ethos through alliances with barons. Public arguments about the moral significance of the scriptures begin. Martyrs who are willing to be tortured to death while professing the identifying statements and signs of the emerging religious field. Risking death under the symbol of the Faithful.
Presumption of Inclusion: We are all “the people” and God loves and supports us as long as we do not overtly oppose the inherited symbols or look too different. Equality before God. Equivalence of social roles in comparison to the Ultimate Role.
Bond-deepening Practices: Obedience; loyalty demonstrations; sharing of phrases from the Great Book; pledges to the supreme symbol; working together in rural agrarian tasks; honoring the nationalist speech and eating customs; agreeing. The romantic splendor of marriage contracts is established and adorned with voluntary pledges of emotional depth and intentional heart-work.
Aesthetic Cultivation: The gilded style; Gothic combinations; the mixture of filth and luxury, the mingling of mud and furs, the mood of reaching toward the zenith of heaven; celestial and demoniac imagery working together; the shared righteousness of landscapes and fortresses. Demonstrations of national splendor; crowns, flamboyant styles, etc. Birth of the impractical "urbane" fads and fashions of the courtly life in legal society. Religion may incorporate ridiculous hats.
Divine Communion: Public and private acts of surrender, acceptance and remorse and relinquishment of guilts, affirmation of the superlative nature of the Apex Mythic Being,
Exploitation of History: The universe begins with the recorded history of the current cycle of the appearance of people like ourselves and proceeds as a series of successful or unsuccessful alignments with our fickle national-racial deity from whom all successes and torments flow. if we succeed there is prosperity but all the failures around us are from non-obediences to the “old fashioned” (traditionalist grandparents) interpretation of the dogma; either we get back on track or punishments will increase until the “end of our kind of world” occurs and only a few are saved in a metaphysical manner.
Cultural Convergence: The Great Book and the Layout of the Kingdom combines art, spirituality, politics, finance and war in the public space. Totalitarian fusion of genres. All types of literature and study are presumed to be One.
Theory of Group: Merge with your role; serve the inherited order or castes; gain sacred advice before making big decisions; keep group together through sacrificing painfully for its symbols; repeat the grandparents; overcome all subcultures to impose the national will upon the Meta-Tribe; organize in relational opposition to other Great Nations; homogenize to create progress (linguistic, racial, customs); enforce moral obedience upon children
Transpartisan Politics: Our “Supreme God” is affirmed by official statements and ritual attendance by leaders of all factions.
Responsible Theory of Mind: All agency and intentionality (and empathy and justice) derive from the unitary Great Power who gifts it equally to all human beings who then use it better or worse relative to his official orienting instructions
Supra-Economics: bureaucratic sacred taxation (tithing) & bribery of religious officials is normative; majestic sculpture and architectural investments anchor the ascending values of the community; priestly oversight is required to seal deals, initiate building projects or engage in to resource wars; oligarchs are interfered with and solicited by priests by many means - including advice, control of mobs through ritual, education of aristocratic children; lower castes are sanctioned and sometimes protected as "holy roles" and "essential equals in the eyes of God".
Anti-Fragility:
Consecrations: officially sanctioned magical rituals and role-investitures determine the well-being of individual and collective life; building of churches; fixing the calendars; establishing sacred sub-zones within cities and communities; meta-tribal pilgrimage sites linked to dogmatic texts; marking the Kingdom in opposition to chaotic nature and foreign powers; superlative ornamentation of role-spaces (the royal bedchamber, the graveyard, the pillar of the law). Very importantly the rise of sacred, rule-bound monastic communities and fortifications.
RATIONALISTS
METROPOLITAN HUMANIST-MATERIALISTS / CAUSAL-MECHANICAL THINKERS
NARROW INDIVIDUALISM
Theology: God is now the Great Maker-Mind. Dogmatists are Infidels but Infidels should not be put to death. Poor Scientists and the Factually Uninformed are Heretics. GOD appears under the aegis of the RATIONAL IMMATERIALITY. This one conception admits to a variety of functionally similar forms:
(a) Deist - The Invisible Supreme God is the Intelligence of the Natural Order in its Predictable and Unpredictable Forms.
(b) Atheist - The Absence of a Visible God is the Rational Proof of the Supremacy of the Natural Order in Random and Non-Random Forms.
(c) Agnostic - It is Rational to Accept the Unseen Determination about the God of the Natural Order.
(d) Aprolepticist - We Rationally Cannot even think to accept or non-accept or be undecided about an Unseen Origin of Natural Order.
Evil is produced from the failure to understand and achieve. One must thwart the gods and history in order to prevent catastrophe which lingers inherent in the misunderstanding of the Great Machine. But since we will always fail a little we must learn to be "philosophical" about life in order to secure benign conscience under the conditions of the Divinely Natural Order. An inexplicable and vastly ancient Beginning to the mechanical unfolding of cosmic and human events; a designer of the System.
Mythology: Insubstantial, non-personified qualities and categories metaphysically organize material realities that are bound by cause and effect; rational identities populate the universe and are bound by consistent “game rules” of the cosmos.
Spirituality: Analytic meditations, pondering, study of Reason, separation of consciousness from roles, steadiness of mind, intensification of personal being,
Embedded Rituals: Civic holidays, family visits at holidays, elections, sporting seasons, industrial-commercial festivals, summer holidays, weekends, getaways, private funerals, graduations, retirements. These all arise and must be enfolded into the rising ethos in order to function religiously.
Ethical Mobilization: Decency revolutions, surrender to the public outbursts of sensible protesters. Not running a tank over Gandhi! Taking time to listen to sensible complaints. Taking risks to prevent rash and irrational responses. Explorers martyr themselves to "discover the truth" or "stand up to herds". Free press risking death. Dr. Frankenstein risking the monstrous.
Presumption of Inclusion: One man, one vote; innocent until proven guilty; existential equality; basic capacity for meritorious and successful action is extended to all regardless of their caste and role.
Bond-deepening Practices: Write your own vows; educational fraternities; shared trips; investigation clubs; conferences; international meetings;
Aesthetic Cultivation: Modernism/futurism in art, architecture, writing; the invention of the narrator, subjectivism and impressionism in painting, the style of rising revolutionary achievement; imperialism. The spirit of Star Wars. Metropolis. Reagan’s “Morning in America”. Warmth. Special Icons: the straight shooter, the rising entreprenuer, the inventor, the explorer, the secret agent, the rebel against small town life. Growth of "wives and mothers" beyond the family.
Divine Communion: Liberating wonder of poetic-rational expansive of the worldcentric cosmos and the victories of “the enlightenment”. the private communion with Natural Splendour; omnipresence and victorious absorption into REASON.
Exploitation of History: A long history of pre-human and a short history of human history is wondrous but largely ignorant and superstitious under the earthquake of modernity sets us free or a significant historical example of a caring, rational progressive individual who puts sectarian divisions, mythic priests and kingdom rules aside brings a universal and sensible moral message.
Cultural Convergence: Rationality, individual freedom and/or experimental science must organize all aspects of life as we awaken from the dream of historical indoctrination and childish misunderstandings.
Theory of Group: Modular, hierarchical industrial model of increasingly rewarded managerial individualists; corporate model; non-sectarian oligarchy; all’s fair in keeping with game rules which we should try to modify in our favor; progress or die; provide stability for employees. Achievement of Promotion and quantitative reward are used to modulate the importance of individual input.
Transpartisan Politics: Bicameral legislatures, dialectical courtrooms, rules of debate and the spirit of reasonable mutuality guarantees solutions even among the disparately minded.
Responsible Theory of Mind: Only rational persons have intentional agency. It is irresponsible to attribute this to other creature or to forces of nature.
Supra-Economics: sale of sacred objects, tourist-darshan, evangelical entertainment, guru-consultants, religious authorship; negotiated legal protections for religious enclaves; charitable giving; advocacy for the poor; conversion and education for excluded minorities; arrangement of visiting and living in alternative international economic zones.
Anti-Fragility:
Consecrations: a bottle smashed on the bow of the maiden Titanic; mass-distribution of the ritual-official power to "open" buildings and "start" projects; the sky-scraper and uniform suit; the financial and military support of giant scientific projects; the flag planted on the moon; staging areas for space shuttle lift-off; monumental practicality and entertainments; the traveling professional stimulators (carnivals, USO shows, etc.), international darshan (world tourists to magic spots and exotic empowerments); holiness of the Great Facillity; the Wonder of the World sites;
PLURALISTS
COSMOPOLITAN CULTURE-SPLICING / SENSITIZED SELF-AUTHORING NETWORKS
Theology: Alternatives are everywhere. The apex signifier takes whatever form or meaning you and your community would like. The components of "God" are in novel circulation. Preference and Value and enfolded into the concept. God persists as a disputed term of perpetual, ironic and critical usage. Evil may or may not actually exist. Our feelings are interpretations but the consequences of removing negativity from our interpretations is unjustified. We must use health and meaningful life-choices to create a counterbalance to essential uncertainty and ambiguous finitude. Multiple universes appear to co-exist and create each other via somekind of relationship associated with the leap from Nothing to Something. A common creative void sustains co-created realities and multiple histories.
Mythology: Multiple forms of each essential power exist. You must find or invent the one that works best for you; all myths are “as if” forms of entertainment and potential instruction; myths interpenetrate and resonance in stories from various cultures and history periods including pop culture; creative personal mythology becomes an option; the line between inherited myth and novelty entertainment/art is mercifully blurred. The "as if" usage of mythological caricatures becomes standard.
Spirituality: Mindfulness meditation, flow states, right brain integration, self-creating, self-esteem, biospheric care, health-oriented prayer, energy work. Descending meditations are extra attractive. Kundalini, yoga, health-spirituality, neuro-buddhism, intentional thought styles.
Embedded Rituals: Emerging entertainment cycles, personally invented version of public rituals, celebrations of re-defining, criticism festivals, retro styles, decentralized events, ecological planetary holy days; alternative pride parades
Ethical Mobilization: Cultural sensitivity and ecology-over-modernist economy protests; inclusion riots; Martyrs oppose oppressive oligarchs; Advocates of the sensitive, meta-style engage in humorous acts of chaotic resistance; Self-confession and transparency takes on a spiritual dimensions. Gay pride parades in Palestine, etc. Abortion doctors risk their own lives.
Presumption of Inclusion: Everyone who thinks everyone should be included is automatically included; tolerators are tolerators; all subjects can be studied; all races and religious are assumed included until proven intolerable.
Bond-deepening Practices: Sharing of daring, idiosyncratic, culture-challenging enthusiasms; be entertaining together; co-growth is idealized; learn to invent ourselves together; integrate “PR” into life through strategic relational communication styles; rebalance masculine and feminine in communication and life-roles.
Aesthetic Cultivation: The “green” style of cities and propaganda, return of intensified ambiguous tragedy, rainbows, unfolding biological imagery; splices; multi-channel style, explicit and hyper-ironic entertainment, participatory electronic style, scruff, half-professional; half-public style, Dune/LOTR clothing; Emergent archetypal favoring of “the exotic revolutionary of inclusion” (Gandhi, MLK), the casual enthusiast, the ragged technological conqueror, the cryptoanalyst (snowden, marx, derrida, zizek, the hacker); ethos of play, analysis and very sophisticated flowing acceptance of disturbing content.
Divine Communion: awesomeness, cool, mind-boggling, popular zen/taoism, the magical expansion thrills of paradox, surrealism, infinities, loops, sudden multiplicity, the buzz of endlessness, the restoration of neo-pagan methods for entering culturally-significant naturalness; psychedelic epiphany; the decentralized peak-and-flow experiences as alignment with "whatever is beyond".
Exploitation of History: Naturalness followed by natural humanity and then rise of imbalanced humanity culminating in industrial mind/body split and then the Great Paradigm Shift begins to restore our natural diversity and holism and private ease and exploration. The "paradigm shift" and "expressing oneself authentically" as echoes of a future-oriented spirituality in which we attempt to overcome the sinful divide between ourselves and our "self-authored Real selves".
Cultural Convergence: Transdisciplinary experiments, creation of novelty hybrid genres, infiltration of institutions by political correctness, democratic quotas, enforced gender balancing.
Theory of Group: Consensus cooperation, concern sharing, P2P networking, free information, voluntary reimbursement; unionize; establish “class consciousness”
Transpartisan Politics: Partisan becomes dirty word, cooperation idealized, moderate progressive majority drives both sides; intentional understanding and kindness extended to the Other in general -- despite provocative offense.
Responsible Theory of Mind: Sensitive extension of intentionality to all human subgroups and many types of organisms.
Supra-Economics: eco-tithing; rise of studios/weekends as sites where sacred practice is promulgated; distributed micropayments; advocacy for progressive economic systems; sacred status of local/organic; imposition of authenticity/well-being standards to divide the sea of commercial products and services; participation in festival economies & surges; priest-therapists; spiritual sensuality services; demand for authenticity, creativity and play in establishment of legitimate socio-economic "roles"; advocacy for the status of all under-represented parties in the economic infrastructure; alliance of churches with safety/growth nets.
Anti-Fragility:
Consecrations: Improvised, Hyper-personal & Interfaith rituals. Inclusion of excluded elements in blessing rituals. Idiosyncratic holy places; shared holiness of "leading edge entertainment"; the sacredness of "other places" (off the beat track, peculiar, authentic); localness as decentralized principle of sacred topology; the Sacred "Commons" as a increasing concern; encounter groups; spiritual friendships; loose, flexible and voluntary experiments in establishing sacred space.
INTEGRATIVE
MULTI-LEVEL COHERENCE / PLANETARY-COSMIC HUMANISM (SAPIENTISM)
Theology: “God” names the unitarian implication of apex value experience coordinating multiple quadrants and ontological states. Evil is.... The principle of creative novelty is ongoing, there cannot be a First Cause or Beginning of Time but the current scientific story of emergent cosmic evolution is an adequate frame for social storytelling.
Mythology: Spirit has been constantly trying to manifest through evolutionary surges particularly in the person of spiritual philosophical agents who set the “forms” which make the grooves easier.
Spirituality:
Embedded Rituals:
Ethical Mobilization: the subtle martyrdom of sacrificing one's values to affirm the forms of other levels; sacrifice to secure multiple value systems and types active in any solution; risks on behalf of establishing missing balance; mobilizations which understand a way beyond the selfish/altruistic alternative;
Presumption of Inclusion: All sapient beings at all levels of development are already “on side” and all sentient being are worthy to receive love and gratitude and compassion. The nondual interpenetration of the dual means that one must intentionally affirm pre-inclusion in general and attempt to bodily and emotionally enter that reality regardless of adversarial force. Disjunctions are perceived as the form and essence of conjunctions.
Bond-deepening Practices: Wisdom conversation in the meta-sangha beyond our personal work and our tradition’s statements,
Aesthetic Cultivation: bio-futuristic, auric, erotic, trans-genre, post-ironic
Divine Communion:
Exploitation of History: The notion of evolution and emerge evolves and emerges as Spirit reveals itself in endless new forms in which we are responsible participants in a great story of “layers” and complexity. Emergent telos of self and society as locus of meaning.
Cultural Convergence: Integral theory, multi-line intelligence, cosmic planetary styles,
Theory of Group: Personal/intersubjective balance, conscious relationality, collective peak experiences, holacracy; establish skills- consciousness; participatory rather than membership; graduated post-majoritarian decisions; internal profiling is necessary.
Transpartisan Politics: “integrative hybrids”; challenge pluralists by pointing out their failure to achieve their goals due to their rejection of traditionalist and modernist attitudes; voluntary practice of adopting and integrating the viewpoints of one's adversary; selection of issues which can be sustained at multiple levels of understanding;
Responsible Theory of Mind: Subjective interiority includes ‘as if’ intentionality in varying degrees of intensity from minimal cosmic background through different types of species and in different gradations within human communities.
Supra-Economics:
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JUSTICE!
Religion, at almost every phase, applies standards that are different from the intuitions that attempt to guide our legal frameworks. The drive to be just and the notion of justice "before God" (or otherwise in relationship to the excessive dimension of spiritualized culture) may need to be teased apart from the customs and hopes of justice between persons. Religion has often endorsed injustices. Much of that was pathological but it also indicates that it typically reserves the right to validate human affairs differently from courts, kings and common sense. God has the "right of Injustice" in all pagan and orthodox cultures.
So we must probably say that:
(a) religion operates with an "additional" regime of justice that must creatively incorporate and inform the understanding of social justice present at any given developmental level
(b) religion must encourage, train and refine the will-to-justice both within and among people.
The former is what I would call ethical, the latter what I would call moral.
Religious involves a supra-ethical & morally edifying function during all phases of culture.
In response to ISM's earlier remarks in this thread:
Pluralism risks the meaningless expanse but remains pragmatically anchored in their sensitized response to the alternatives and categories inherited from modernist society. There is a hidden fixity in the idea of the types -- even though they have be revalued and their co-arising, generative nature is partially grasped. Increased clarity on the "ish" (both as a unit of precise thought and an experiential encounter with the univalent and dimension of being) adds something very structural, resilient and profound to the alterity. It makes many-one into the root concept of a workable divergent-convergence.
The inherited and narrow directness of modern rationality traces itself upon pluralism even though that is the very site where we see the emerging valuation of obliquity, rational-intuitive splices, the utility of novelty and shift, etc.
Integrative approaches ultimately need to re-generate categories rather than just shuffling and revaluing them. Not just theoretical categories (quadrant lenses, four ontologies, etc.) but in terms of replacing conceptual typologies with general attractor swarms emerging from the statistical data about people and -- I'll rant a bit now -- in moving beyond the Netflix model (of trying to accommodate you by building out massively from the basic genres of modern entertainment until their suggestions are intricate -- you might like Belgian Science-Fiction from the Mid-80s) into something that graphs and compares all possible known variables before interfacing with the grid of categories. That may allow us to do odd things which a Netflix, etc. cannot presently do. Example: You seem to like "high-quality ironic performances regardless of actor or genre -- so you might like...". That is a very sly move that requires integrative approaches to be both structural enough and open enough. And it depends upon a movement to fulfill the pluralist insight in a space beyond the categorical presumptions inherited from modernism.
Layman,
I'm really liking your reply about economics, as you bring in "the direct requirements of material resources." My biggest criticism of the AQAL model is the focus on the techno-economic base in the lower right quadrant, with barely a thought about the energy and ecology requirements to support it. I think the recent paper presented at the Integral European Conference by Stalne & Horn are in agreement with this assessment (see also Horn's 2009 paper which points out that we must consider Resource Contraints and Sink Constraints in the LR).
The founder of systems ecology, Howard Odum, wrote a brilliant article in 1973 entitled "Energy, Ecology, and Economics" (republished to much acclaim in Mother Earth News in 1974). Rex Weyler wrote a nice, relatively brief intro to Odum's thinking in this article: Real Wealth: Howard T. Odum's Energy Economics.
In short, these three are intimately connected, and we will not achieve true sustainability until we integrate them in our thinking as well as in our actions and policies.
How does this relate to religion? Energy is the fundamental constant in the universe, the fundamental requirement. Energy is everything and everything is energy, whether you call it chi, prana, spirit, or energy.
Have any of you had a chance to read any of Henry Nelson Wieman's work? In his classic The Source of Human Good, he wrote that matter is identical with energy and energy manifests in "the creative event" which produces all the good in the world (the activity of God), p. 190. And on p. 303, "The world is essentially and substantively quality. It is energy, but energy is quality to human experience, and that means ultimately and absolutely for human living."
As far as I can tell, energy is very little discussed by the philosophers. The exceptions I have found so far include Wieman, and more recently Stanley Salthe, Tim Winton, Dorian Sagan, and Richard Mattesich. A few interesting quotes below for those who are interested.
If a post-metaphysical path there be, centering it around the movement of energy will be, I feel, the key.
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“…I tried to show that the dipolarity of substance and process is inevitable. Wherever we encounter substance there we encounter change (process). But, as already indicated above, I try to extend my question and ask: “Is this dipolarity of substance and process sufficient to comprehend the basis of reality or did we miss some other aspect?” If metaphysicians have asked for thousands of years whether substance or process is the ultimate reality, a physicist of the twenty-first century might well ask why the notion of Energy has been excluded from this quest. From a physical or chemical point of view, one can hardly imagine a substance without Energy. Whatever the form of this Energy, it is the glue that holds substance together and causes it to change. In other words, as an integral part of substance, Energy is the source of its causal powers.”
- Richard Mattessich, “No Substance without Process, No Process without Substance, and Neither without Energy: Some Thoughts and Extensions on Whitehead and the Endurants (Continuants) v. Perdurants (Occurrents) Controversy,” Process Studies Supplement, Issue 19 (2014), p. 28
http://www.ctr4process.org/publications/ProcessStudies/PSS/PSS_19_2...
http://www.ctr4process.org/publications/ProcessStudies/PSS/PSS_19_2...
"Energy has no independent ontological status in distinction from anything else.
Everything is a form of energy. It is both being and non-being, as well as the fuel for
becoming. In the sciences it has been constructed as what are represented by the
predicates ‘order’ and ‘disorder’, and these are dubbed, respectively, ‘energy gradient’
and ‘entropy’."
- Stanley Salthe, Energy and Semiotics: The Second Law and the Origin of Life,” Cosmos and History: The Journal of Natural and Social Philosophy, 2005
http://cosmosandhistory.org/index.php/journal/article/viewFile/8/15
“Could it not be that the fundamental tendency of the cosmos is to expand a huge amount of energy quantity that will transform into smaller but more complex scalar holarchies of evolving energy quality? This makes more logical sense as the expansion comes before the need to reinstate equilibrium. What if the tendency to equilibrium and the entropy so generated is simply the price for winding up complex holarchies? Or, to shift our perspective a little more, what if the fourth law [of Thermodynamics, after Odum] specifies the habit the cosmos has developed for completing the grand semiotic arch though increasing orders of signification back to its own nondual ground. Could the “aliveness” of energy and its proclivity to “wind up” not be our source of telos or final cause, which is ultimately to return to its own nondual source?”
- Tim Winton, “The Meaning of Planetary Civilization: Integral Rational Spirituality and the Semiotic Universe,” Journal of Integral Theory and Practice, Vol. 8 (Dec. 2013), p. 190
http://aqaljournal.integralinstitute.org/Public/JITP_8%283_4%29.pdf
Layman Pascal said:
...My specification of religion as the infrastructure of experiential (and developmental) cultural abundance certainly requires that the economic infrastructure be well-integrated in order to makes it responsible contribution. And we cannot ignore either the direct requirements of material resources nor the ideological trace that our resource control patterns exert upon the hive mind latent in all citizens. This latter factor is extremely significant in the production (or failure) of a religionizing cultural field. \
...There is no cultural flourishing at any level except by the more-than-adequate arrangement of material resource flows.
In general, regardless of the level of social and cognitive capacity, religious economies ought to mean those which maximize material surplus, produce more robust health among citizens generally and have the ideological effect of aligning daily work efforts with a resilient sense of spontaneously affirmed meaningfulness which connect the culture's formulation of its higher values with the material ground of vital affairs.
David,
I've heard about, but not read, "The Source of Human Good". This issue about energy seems connected to what I usually say about 4 ontologies. Energy is the general word describing "subtle realm" phenomenon. Even in physical universes energy is a formal abstraction which haunts and organizes "objects". It occupies a spectrum between Mass and Syntax (causal realm). Too many of our best 20th century thinkers became overly enamored of Information (causal realm) and felt that all energetics could be reduced to that. Integrative thinking must keep a multi-valid balance between these realms. And there is a special significance to the subtle-gross bridge which, I would argue, it is the implied or Hegelian function of human history to construct.
The constellation of inquiries around ecological-economics, massless energy, new electronic energy infrastructure, subtle energy healing, etc. represent an emerging readiness to technologize (or substantialize) energy flows of varying densities and qualities.
We also should not forget that both our daily life and our evolving spiritual potentials are "constructive efforts" that require adequate energy. Religion, also, must be "done" by the culture and that requires our bodies, brains, machines and systems to have plentiful and efficiently organized and high potency and low-side effect energy systems.
My proposals about "tetra-bucks" (integration of ecological, psychological, social and market values within the quantification process of currency) require a commodification of ecology to offset the exploitation of ecology -- but that root of that kind of calculation ultimately has to make the energetic support of ecological material into the reliable basis of economy.
The only major caveat I would want to throw up here is to ensure that we make qualitative distinctions between types of energy. It is not a monolithic substance. It does not have generally benign effects. It is only certain types, certain arrangements and certain styles of deployment of energy that are involved in what we would a "creative event" to be.
Eric Chaisson has put forward a model of energy-rate-density as the variable which continues to grow over the course of cosmic evolution as new forms emerge. I mention it only because it is a hybrid metric that constrains and distinguishes some uses of energy from other uses of energy. The human brain has more energy-rate-density than the Sun -- but it has less general energy. Since energy cannot be created or destroyed we have to look at progressive development as a matter of increasing energy-intelligence.
Layman,
Thanks for the thorough reply. Regarding your 'tetra-bucks' idea, Howard Odum worked very hard and developed a very robust method to do just this - to calculate the true value of the energy/ecology contribution to society, and so to have a commodification of ecology. Instead of tetra-bucks, he called them EmDollars, reflecting the Emergy (embedded energy) of the environmental service.
"Emergy is the available energy (exergy) of one kind previously required to be used up directly and indirectly to make the product or service. Quality of anything is measured by the emergy per unit. Emergy measures real wealth, and emergy per person measures standard of living. Emergy per unit money measures real wealth buying power and is used to calculate emdollars, the economic equivalent. Whereas real wealth of environmental resources is inverse to monetary costs and prices, emdollars indicate their true contribution to the human economy."
The textbook that thoroughly covers this is Environmental Accounting: Emergy and Environmental Decision Making, and you can find an introduction to Emergy Accounting here.
Regarding energy quality, again I believe Odum pioneered the thinking on this in 1955 and beyond. I don't know Chaisson's work, but it sounds similar. Energy can be transformed to levels of increased quality (roughly equivalent to Wieman's ideas about the creative event), but always at a cost of a loss of energy quantity. The highest quality of energy is information. The energy value of a book (potentially, if it truly carries important information) is much higher than the number of joules you can recover from burning it.
The Odums write, “The development in the last two centuries has been a wave of ascendancy moving up the energy hierarchy. We can represent the wave by showing the relative empower in each stage. First there was a predominance of agrarian agriculture, then use of fuels and minerals for the industrial revolution, next a population explosion, then a concentration of emergy [embedded energy] in the cities, and finally highest emergy in the worldwide sharing of information. The wave may be expected to generate more population and information than it can support. As the emergy flows of the fuels and their matching resources falter, we expect the climax to turn down, either crashing or descending prosperously depending on how well the world shares common purpose. How do we go from the pattern in graph (f) to a new kind of future consistent with the limitations of graph (c)?”
From my article, The Wave/Pulse of Human History
Odum's attempts to analyze and encode different regimes of energy systems is worth a lot more further study. For me there are two broad areas where "quantification" is one of the key constraints upon human progress. The first is in the economic system -- which currently only quantifies trade transactions, potential trade transaction and speculations about possible scenarios in which trade transactions may be modified. An all-quadrant currency needs to be able to quantify subjective well-being, social approval, ecological utility AND trade. Marx gave us an opening when he tried to calculate the passage of human labor energy through the different stages of techno-economic development. Odum may provide us with some additional general tools to track energy flows of various kinds in complex systems in order to begin producing the numerical quantities which are necessary in order to create an integrated infrastructure in the "LR quadrant".
The other area where quantification currently fails us is that of "collective intelligence". There is little by way of a definition of the intelligence of a structured habit of group decision-making. Until we can point to a lucidly defined metric we will not really get off the ground in terms of promulgation decision-making protocols which exceed those that have governed our species hitherto. In this area we might look to people like Claude Shannon who were able to invent a basis for numerical representation of how much information passes through a cable. But we might here also look to the types of approaches demonstrated by Odum.
Given the complexity of the environment we face there must be a dramatic increase in the flexibility and comprehensiveness of systems -- without forgetting that haste, abstraction, grand shifts & overreach are also dangers that may promote our fragility.
It is nice to bring this up in the current thread because my assertion about the nature of religion is very much a vision of energetic and organic infrastructure. Essentially religion is about trying to produce, stabilize and amplify coordinated, high-quality flows of bio-cultural energy. The social wiring of peak experiences and well-beings. And this not only depends upon the arrangement of the material infrastructure and existing energy system -- it also depends upon insights into energy systems which allow the different genres of society to converge and resonate.
DavidM58 said:
Layman,
Thanks for the thorough reply. Regarding your 'tetra-bucks' idea, Howard Odum worked very hard and developed a very robust method to do just this - to calculate the true value of the energy/ecology contribution to society, and so to have a commodification of ecology. Instead of tetra-bucks, he called them EmDollars, reflecting the Emergy (embedded energy) of the environmental service.
"Emergy is the available energy (exergy) of one kind previously required to be used up directly and indirectly to make the product or service. Quality of anything is measured by the emergy per unit. Emergy measures real wealth, and emergy per person measures standard of living. Emergy per unit money measures real wealth buying power and is used to calculate emdollars, the economic equivalent. Whereas real wealth of environmental resources is inverse to monetary costs and prices, emdollars indicate their true contribution to the human economy."
The textbook that thoroughly covers this is Environmental Accounting: Emergy and Environmental Decision Making, and you can find an introduction to Emergy Accounting here.
Regarding energy quality, again I believe Odum pioneered the thinking on this in 1955 and beyond. I don't know Chaisson's work, but it sounds similar. Energy can be transformed to levels of increased quality (roughly equivalent to Wieman's ideas about the creative event), but always at a cost of a loss of energy quantity. The highest quality of energy is information. The energy value of a book (potentially, if it truly carries important information) is much higher than the number of joules you can recover from burning it.
The Odums write, “The development in the last two centuries has been a wave of ascendancy moving up the energy hierarchy. We can represent the wave by showing the relative empower in each stage. First there was a predominance of agrarian agriculture, then use of fuels and minerals for the industrial revolution, next a population explosion, then a concentration of emergy [embedded energy] in the cities, and finally highest emergy in the worldwide sharing of information. The wave may be expected to generate more population and information than it can support. As the emergy flows of the fuels and their matching resources falter, we expect the climax to turn down, either crashing or descending prosperously depending on how well the world shares common purpose. How do we go from the pattern in graph (f) to a new kind of future consistent with the limitations of graph (c)?”
From my article, The Wave/Pulse of Human History
Progressive Christian Jim Wallis on supporting the new EPA carbon standards. I'm not crazy about the notion that we must be good environmental stewards because God gave us dominion over the earth, but it's a step in the right direction. And he makes a good point: "I believe the most compelling narratives for dealing with climate change must be moral ones, theological ones, and biblical ones, especially if we are to reach and engage the faith community." And this one on the relation of his spirituality to the environment: "Climate change is not another issue to move higher up the list of our concerns. Rather it is the concern central to all other issues."
This IS the narrative that needs to be told at this time! Like Layman says: don't let the toxic religionists frame the narrative. Another tactic would be to enlarge the narrative to include ALL eco/environmental concerns: from composting toilets to plastic garbage ocean pollution and really--the whole bloody mess. No one can deny then! And a note to the IPCC: leave prophecy out of science! That's my domain! Piss-off! Kidding, but you get the point.
Given that the US is 73% Christian, and 62% are members of a church,* it makes sense that to influence them to vote progressively on climate change will require not just a moral but also a theological and/or biblical framing. I'm going to leave that up to the Christians like Wallis. Lakoff reinforces that progressive framing must be based on morality and values to get at the subconscious moorings for our rational justifications. And we see the likes of Senators Sanders and Warren framing exactly that way, which reach our more educated, 'rational' Christians. But for the less educated and/or rational, it's going to take more biblical framing to sway them at the voting booth. And unless and until so-called integral can step outside of its own 'evolutionary' framing and talk to these religious ignoramuses in their own terms, we best leave it up to the likes of the Wallises to do that job for us.
* The link breaks it down by denomination. Roman Catholics were about 24% of US Christians. To generalize in the broadest sense, this group is the most likely to contain the more ignorant I was discussing above. Yes, there are exceptions like Colbert, but as generalizations go it's likely accurate. Which means that this voting block is less than 20% of the US population. This is consistent with stats that about 20% of US voters are hard-core conservatives that deny climate change, love guns, hate commies etc. So it's a significant block and if Wallis and company can reach even a small % that will tip the scales to more progressive representatives and policies overall.
When one combines these stats factoring in things like america also being the most material, consumer culture in history; with the largest military in history, well, its a frakking shock to the solar plexus! I agree, though, that the last people who are going to influence these folks is Kenny and Co. Maybe getting the NFL on line ecologically would have impact as football is really the true god down there. If these folks insist on being stuck on Jacob's developmental ladder then they need to find interpretive lenses within their own scriptures as a means of altering behaviour. Fortunately, those interpretive avenues do exist. I'm speaking specifically on the ecological issue here. I also agree that we need to put the question of ontology aside for the next 50 years and give science and technology a chance to solve eco problems or we will all become a new species of warring Amish, anyway. At least that is my prediction for the downward slope of peak energy.
Oh yeah, I've also been advocating for a carbon sabbath since 2005 on line. Deaf ears is the only feedback I've gotten. My vehicle stays parked at least once a week! Kilo capping, too!
Also, the PGA tour could get their thumbs out of their ass's on this issue as they are wired into a charitable meme anyway ( charitable behaviour towards the earth). In the 50's all these so called american christians smoked and drank alcohol like crazy as the doctors and Wall St. advertisers told them those things were good for their health. We have seen that behaviour can be altered when better more accurate data becomes available.
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