ITC 2015

[Balder]

Meta-Integral has just sent out the call for papers for the upcoming 2015 Integral Theory Conference.  The theme for the conference is Integral Impacts: Using Integrative Metatheories to Catalyze Effective Change.

See here for details.

[Layman Pascal]

Snuss Mufflegub!  He said again... 

I'm going to stick to Facefuck on this topic but after this current posting.  As Dali said on 60 Minutes: "I believe in death in general -- but not for Dali!"  So I am pro-citations but not for me.  Or rather there is a panoply of styles which have to balance each other out.  Some leading toward confirmation by comparison and referencing, others leading toward idiosyncratic incorporation apart from the displacement of information into other sources.  It depends on what gets each of our goats.  Personally I find it scandalous when someone presents information as being "located elsewhere".  But then, just as obviously, it has an enormous role to play with the world generally and the interlinked post-pluralistic networks particularly.  

As links of all kinds proliferate (and references are a primitive example of links) we find them both more and less relevant.  Neither position on its own strikes me as adequate.

[DavidM58]

I've got your back there, Layman. I think my 8 1/2 pages of references more than balances your lack. So if anyone wants to hear a presentation about a well-referenced paper, come to the Dry Creek Room on Saturday, July 18th, at 11:30am. The topic is Energy, Economy, Ecology, Spirituality...and maybe some Sex. :)

I wonder if some will see my overly-referenced paper as an indication of "trying too hard" to be rigorous and academic.

Seriously, I miss you here and am sorry to see your comment about sticking to faceboo.

Layman Pascal said:

...  Or rather there is a panoply of styles which have to balance each other out.  Some leading toward confirmation by comparison and referencing, others leading toward idiosyncratic incorporation apart from the displacement of information into other sources.  It depends on what gets each of our goats... 

[Edward theurj Berge]

LP: Well, you do have one reference in the paper, saying its this forum that proliferates endless whatever that must be corrected. Your responses since note its a more general phenomenon not particular to the forum, so please consider taking out the IPS reference in particular for this malady and just put in a more general term?

[Edward theurj Berge]

Only then will your paper have no specific references.

[Layman Pascal]

David, I'm glad that our approach to referencing will balance out!  The biodiversity of approaches to intellectual communication is one of my primary concerns.  I have great respect for references and for the "sober, respectful, responsible" tone -- but at the same time we face the risk of curtailing many dimensions of thought and engagement via our sense of what is sensible.  The only protection is a divergence of styles.

And while I appreciate Theurj's observations I am much more likely -- as I suggested to Bruce -- to "double down" and claim that IPS is a wretched hive of scum and villainy. 

What I like about this discussion (even though it overlooks virtually everything that I wrote) is that bring to my attention certain elements of juxtaposition and certain dimensions of communication which I had previously been embedded in and now get a chance to... consider.

DavidM58 said:

I've got your back there, Layman. I think my 8 1/2 pages of references more than balances your lack. So if anyone wants to hear a presentation about a well-referenced paper, come to the Dry Creek Room on Saturday, July 18th, at 11:30am. The topic is Energy, Economy, Ecology, Spirituality...and maybe some Sex. :)

I wonder if some will see my overly-referenced paper as an indication of "trying too hard" to be rigorous and academic.

Seriously, I miss you here and am sorry to see your comment about sticking to faceboo.

Layman Pascal said:

...  Or rather there is a panoply of styles which have to balance each other out.  Some leading toward confirmation by comparison and referencing, others leading toward idiosyncratic incorporation apart from the displacement of information into other sources.  It depends on what gets each of our goats... 

[Ambo Suno]

I like your working title, though it might be a bit prurient. Maybe you leave out that economy part. And the spirituality.




DavidM58 said:

I've got your back there, Layman. I think my 8 1/2 pages of references more than balances your lack. So if anyone wants to hear a presentation about a well-referenced paper, come to the Dry Creek Room on Saturday, July 18th, at 11:30am. The topic is Energy, Economy, Ecology, Spirituality...and maybe some Sex. :)

I wonder if some will see my overly-referenced paper as an indication of "trying too hard" to be rigorous and academic.

Seriously, I miss you here and am sorry to see your comment about sticking to faceboo.

Layman Pascal said:

...  Or rather there is a panoply of styles which have to balance each other out.  Some leading toward confirmation by comparison and referencing, others leading toward idiosyncratic incorporation apart from the displacement of information into other sources.  It depends on what gets each of our goats... 

[Balder]

Finished my ITC paper:  Integral In-Dwelling: A Prepositional Theology of Religions.  If you would like a copy, please send me a message.

[DavidM58]

Thanks for sharing Balder.  So I take it there is no expectation that we keep the papers under wraps to let M.I. publish initially for conference attendees, and possibly later in the IT journal?

[Balder]

I'm not sure.  I didn't share it before prior conferences for that reason, but I noticed several people sharing online this week, so I decided to post it (temporarily).  I'll take mine down soon, esp. once the papers go up online -- not to conflict with that.

[DavidM58]

Nicely done, Bruce! The text flows very well, and in some places is poetic ("In practicing prepositional onto-choreography, for instance, or Integral Trialectics, we are attempting to follow – and to translate – the mysterious songlines of differential relations across our varied landscapes.").

I particularly appreciated the discussion about hierarchy.

I'm sure there will be many fruitful discussions to follow.

One correction - I believe Morin's Homeland Earth was published in 1999 rather than 1996.  

[Balder]

Hi, David, thank you for your feedback.  The paper involves a limited application of what I proposed in "Sophia Speaks," but I tried to keep the focus narrow so I could stay within the page limit -- and I still ended up going over!

Thanks for the correction on the date error.  I bet Morin was at least thinking about the book in 1996...  Seriously, I notice I do have it correctly identified as 1999 at several places in the text, and also in my notes, so I don't know how I got off on that one reference (and then used that reference, darn it, when I was doing the bibliography).  I can't fix it for the conference draft, but I'll fix it if it ever gets published.

[Ambo Suno]

Hi B - this paper is excellent. I need to spend much more time with it than the quick run-through I have made so far, today. It is dense with theory - exactly as it should be - and one could spend a long time on this one.

One shouldn't be surprised that there is such resonance going on with others who too are working on understanding, articulating, and working towards greater enactment of integrality and meta-integrality. Having just dipped into Pascal's paper this afternoon, and toggled over to yours, I found a harmonic in your writing this: "Put differently, a practice founded on the recognition of co-presence, of being inseparably with and in, is a practice which invites us also to put ourselves in between, in the thick midst of our co-becoming.  The 'meta' in meta-integral means not only beyond, but between.  For in any of our projects of becoming, as Desmond (1995) reminds us, we are always delimited and sustained by an overdetermined excess -- the ontological excess which is our milieu, an overflowing between-ness which always escapes final dialectical synthesis in our individual projects of self-determination (or integral theory-building)."

On my run-through of your paper I see of course that there is much more shared investigation going on than in this quote. I suppose both papers, both lives are sharing the work of sameness/difference, two hands/one body.

I look forward to opening to more of this very good work.

Balder said:

Here is a copy of my ITC paper.