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Yeah, I'm so dismayed to see this sort of behavior.  A culture bottoming out.

Recall this analysis by Arnsperger from the progressive economics thread. The entire thread is invaluable for not only diagnosing why this behavior is so but how to move out of it and into the next phase. And it ain't conscious capitalism.

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Yeah, I'm so dismayed to see this sort of behavior.  A culture bottoming out.

Your question at the end of the post you linked is a good one, but I don't have a good answer.  I live fairly simply, and my move to a credit union is one step in the direction of localization and power-sharing, but beyond that I don't know (yet) how to take further steps in this direction.  The film I linked earlier, Kingdom of Survival, features folks who have taken quite a radical step in the direction of autonomy, withdrawal from the system, etc, but I (like to) think such a radical step is not necessary, and that more creative, progressive possibilities are in the wings, waiting to manifest.  I'm recalling several threads in the past, such as this one by Andrew MacDonald, or discussions (which I have to find) of new forms of currency (hard and electronic) that have been proposed...

My next step, a significant one, is quitting my participation in a capitalistic business that is based on the very principles Arnsperger notes above, and especially in his last blog post I referenced recently. I'm giving my notice at work the 2nd week of January and plan to leave the job and TX by the end of January. I'll return to Santa Fe to spend some time with my elderly mother. I'm taking what $ I've saved and am going to invest in an alternative business model more in line with my progressive values. I may for a time work with the food co-op in either Santa Fe or Albuquerque, get some experience with that model, in preparation for perhaps starting a new co-op. Or some other alternative, to be determined.

Wow, nice to hear you're taking such bold steps.  Good luck.

I was recently introduced to the following (non-Wilberian) book on Integral Economics.  I've just skimmed the beginning pages so far, but it looks interesting enough to explore further.

Yes, I highlighted their work in the progressive economics thread, in this post and a few following posts.

Oh, cool, thanks.  I don't know how I missed that.

We are entering a post-industrial age with a very different economy.This is a nice presentation of that process:

http://prezi.com/xmzld_-wayho/new-economy-new-wealth/?mid=5616

With your interest in starting a food co-op, Ed, I thought you might find this interesting: Slow Money.  Joseph, a member here, recently shared an article about it on FB.

theurj said:

My next step, a significant one, is quitting my participation in a capitalistic business that is based on the very principles Arnsperger notes above, and especially in his last blog post I referenced recently. I'm giving my notice at work the 2nd week of January and plan to leave the job and TX by the end of January. I'll return to Santa Fe to spend some time with my elderly mother. I'm taking what $ I've saved and am going to invest in an alternative business model more in line with my progressive values. I may for a time work with the food co-op in either Santa Fe or Albuquerque, get some experience with that model, in preparation for perhaps starting a new co-op. Or some other alternative, to be determined.

Thanks, this is the type of thing I'm looking for. Although my co-op focus will not likely be food, but not sure what yet. Co-op progressive radio? I might work in a food co-op for a time to get a feel for how co-ops work, and don't. I used to be a member-worker of Gentle Strength food co-op in Tempe AZ for many years but that was long ago and much has changed since then. They're out of business now, for one.

I used to really enjoy Andrew Harvey's books.  It has been awhile since I've read one, but he was on my radar again because he appeared in Velcrow's documentary on the Occupy movement, and I just learned yesterday that he has a new book out on sacred activism, directed at the Occupy movement but also more broadly (at secular and spiritual activists around the world):  The Hope.  Here's an excerpt from it. 

I am mentioning it here in response to your discussion, Thomas, of seeing the system.  Part of Andrew's "sacred activist" work is dedicated to enacting new systems (partly in response to such insight):  Networks of Grace.

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