Has anyone heard of Mahendra Travedi before, or read this essay by Wilber? 

 

Here's a link to Trivedi's website, from which this is an excerpt:

 

Mahendra Kumar Trivedi was born with an exceptional ability to change living and non-living matter with Energy Transmissions or "blessings" (focused intentional consciousness, called The Trivedi Effect™). Through collaborations with researchers in six countries from numerous scientific fields, Trivedi has amassed a broad set of data substantiating this ability in a scientifically demonstrable and measurable manner. The results of these collaborations are beyond anything predicted by the science and technology of today:

  • Agriculture - grow crops with no use of chemical fertilizers or pesticides while providing
    • Increased nutritional value (300% increase in bio-photons)
    • Increased yields (up to 500%)
    • Increased immunity (up to 300%)

  • Genetics
    • Change the DNA in plants (up to 69%) and in microbes (up to 79%)
    • Change the genus and species in harmful bacteria

  • Microbiology
    • Reduce viral loads for HIV, Hepatitis B and C and Cytomegalovirus (up to 99.81%)
    • Reduce antibiotic sensitivity of harmful bacteria (significantly)
    • Convert cancer cells into non-cancerous cells

  • Material science
    • Alter mass and size of atom, energy within and between the atoms
    • Alter specific heat, boiling and melting points
    • Interchange mass and energy (more than 400%)

It is the goal of Trivedi Foundation to create additional rigorous scientific collaborations to further corroborate, reproduce and follow up on the many remarkable results of the Trivedi Effect™ on seeds, plants, soils, bacteria, fungi, viruses, metals, ceramics and polymers. Through continued collaboration with the international scientific community, we will broaden our base of understanding of the previously demonstrated effects and create groundbreaking new paradigms of the nature of human consciousness and its relationship to the material universe.

Trivedi Foundation also seeks to further the research previously done on Trivedi's distinct physiology and it's relationship to his unique abilities.

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For example, here's a story about IONS studying the "rainbow body." To date they have not witnessed such an event but so far just interviewed so-called witnesses and of course frame the accounts in the terms of said witnesses, i.e., the traditionial narrative is accepted. They plan to witness such a death and transformation with scientific instrumentation so until then we'll see.
And of course if you’re skeptical of this newer, more highly evolved energy then it’s your own damned fault. Wilber from the cited article:

“This doesn’t mean that this new Energy is for everyone…. You can’t force people to be free. It’s a choice they have to make, if they’re evolved enough.”

You have to already be part of 2nd tier to recognize that you are eligible for this “blessing.” (Can you say circle jerk?) So that explains my attitude.
Folks,

Backdrops are nice, I’ll number them

1 - the magnitude of the stupidity of mainstream ways are a disclosure already. Energy, economics, medicine, technology, pick some. Media. So something has to give, there better be an alternative. many alternatives, actually. Let me stretch it to counter reductionism for a wee bit, maybe it just has to be allowed....

2 - The problem with things having gone so far into that asinine assault, could be its near worthless to find the way back, far enough down the mainroad . On the other hand , having come so far and having seen much, if jumped by the irrepressible, it cant all be given away. The consummate parasite in an irretrievable mess and an impending inevitability to have it all, Heaven and earth. Twisted enough to be fun on a good day :--)

I’m thinking Belief of any type is mundane, whether we get the results we want from it or not. Subtle is not mundane. Plus, Subtle energy is oxymoronish like higher consciousness. The event or the act is subtle, the energies need not be. The less I do, more its power . I’ll say the emphasis takes it outside the role of belief. Its sort of interesting to think about incremental reality. How about that instead of high c’s.

Iam keeping the trivedi effect for a rainy day. If my backs on the wall. I cant possibly bridge the gap, twixt the 150 dollars and the stretch to the joys, there isn’t the thread. But if I weigh the options of what I can do with onefifty, iam likely to be a sucker always ....
Kenny confirms his endorsement of the science of trivedi:
http://www.kenwilber.com/blog/show/637

imo., this one should go out to peer review to the scientific community at large......if anyone can provide links in the coming months of independent verification of this phenomenon in scientific journals it be much appreciated..............

valli said:
Folks,

Backdrops are nice, I’ll number them

1 - the magnitude of the stupidity of mainstream ways are a disclosure already. Energy, economics, medicine, technology, pick some. Media. So something has to give, there better be an alternative. many alternatives, actually. Let me stretch it to counter reductionism for a wee bit, maybe it just has to be allowed....

2 - The problem with things having gone so far into that asinine assault, could be its near worthless to find the way back, far enough down the mainroad . On the other hand , having come so far and having seen much, if jumped by the irrepressible, it cant all be given away. The consummate parasite in an irretrievable mess and an impending inevitability to have it all, Heaven and earth. Twisted enough to be fun on a good day :--)

I’m thinking Belief of any type is mundane, whether we get the results we want from it or not. Subtle is not mundane. Plus, Subtle energy is oxymoronish like higher consciousness. The event or the act is subtle, the energies need not be. The less I do, more its power . I’ll say the emphasis takes it outside the role of belief. Its sort of interesting to think about incremental reality. How about that instead of high c’s.

Iam keeping the trivedi effect for a rainy day. If my backs on the wall. I cant possibly bridge the gap, twixt the 150 dollars and the stretch to the joys, there isn’t the thread. But if I weigh the options of what I can do with onefifty, iam likely to be a sucker always ....
Trivedi just came to Seattle and a bunch of us Seattle Integral community members went. We are discussing it on our Yahoo group. There is no consensus, but we are gathering info about our experiences and sharing relevant ideas and perspectives. There seems to be a lot which can be said from several different perspectives!!

I don't think non-members can read there, unfortunately. If there is enough interest here, perhaps I can copy some stuff over to here.

Blessings, of my own type, haha
OM
I might add that I have received Deeksha, from someone else, and it was as good a transmission of subtle energies as I've received from anyone, and I've received a LOT from many, as some of you have, too.

It makes no sense to me to make blanket dismissals of all this as a scam. The reality is mite too complex for such an easy answer.
I honestly can't see what's so out there about this. I can't say I'm a believer or non believer at this point, but it definitely seems plausible. I agree I don't much gel with the whole trade mark direction and all, but that can easily be explained away by personal choice. The guy is marketing himself, that in itself doesn't mean his product is bogus. I also doubt Deepak and Wilber would risk their name over this guy if he didn't seem legit... like why would they? All I say is if you want "out there" take a look at existence, period. Or you could picture describing the world of today to someone in the 14th century... burnt (at the) steak, anyone?

Well anyway I'm going to go bless my garden. :D

yeah yeah... good luck with that!
Love that: being skeptical of skepticism!!!

I don't think he designs his own experiments at all. Either they are from inspiration or in most cases I think, designed by the scientists themselves. And the results are published all over, but I have no interest so I don't recall where. I'm sure it's all on his website.

I have a great deal more data after a long first-hand report from a trusted friend yesterday, so I am near to concluding he's just one more person with a highly developed "line" and a huge shadow. Sigh. But if one expert on people-reading is correct, his shadow is more culturally-based than psychodynamically based, so there is hope it could become diminished. We shall see.

Those are good perspectives, SETH, dancing into those adds to the enriching of the whole experience!
Wilber would believe this nonsense because it feeds his own delusions of grandeur. It's pitiful that others fall for this kind of absurdity too but it is part and parcel of the "altitude sickness" endemic to II and its adherents.

I know you are tired of Wilber-bashing Balder but I only do it when I think it is justified, as in this case. As you know I also appreciate much of Wilber's work.
Don't you really think Ken Wilber is a bit more complex than that??
Also, can you tell me how it's Integral or even sensible to dismiss the experiences of about 100,000 people, including me, as "nonsense" or "absurdity" without even talking to one of us??
ahahaha

finally there's some Niveauo back into our discussions. cool

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