Holons as a locus of awareness

[rltruthseeker]

Holons as a locus of perception.

The following is an outline for the idea of holons as a “locus of perception”

Holons are whole/parts. They reflect an ontological relationship, and shouldn’t be seen as “things in themselves” (have you ever seen a holon? Or did you see a holonic relationship?).This doesn’t mean we can’t realize that through causal inference that we live in a pre-given world of perception. Whole/part relationships reflect a fundamental nature of languaged perception and in this sense can be seen as an epistemology or mereology. By comparing two or more different “things” or perceptions, we come to know the relationship between objects and can differentiate them from other things. This colored patch as opposed to that colored patch, “this” sound as opposed to “that” sound, this size versus that size.  By seeing different distinctions, we can compare and contrast the world around us, as well as seeing “macro” versus “micro” views as well as fragmenting and organizing our otherwise whole Reality through conceptual mental containers of “things.”

[Edward theurj Berge]

Since you are relatively new to the forum you haven't seen us go into this topic ad nauseum, but it's all there in the archives. Several of us have challenged the notion of the mystics as to this "knowing" beyond language. I would dare say it's our myth of the given. Which is not to say that the opposite is true either, the myth of the frame. It would appear a general PM conclusion is that while they are not completely the same they are not completely different and in no way can they be separated into pure types or categories.

[rltruthseeker]

I know it's called the myth of the given...but I respectfully disagree. I think this knowing can be called either the Self or "non-self" because it comes without boundaries...yet is a type of Fullness.

I don't think it can be put into categories because it's not a verbal understanding...nor are all experiences exactly similiar...yet they do have certain characteristics in common.

I've researched this "state" as well... and I think I that would be able to show something new to the topic...if one had an open-mind to begin with.

[rltruthseeker]

Why do we want it this other way? Does it change anything ? Does it make a better world ? (Or more power & money for Ken).

The bottom line is - is anything different in the end run ? Is it just a another philosophy?

Gadfly, I think that once we start to embody it, it will change everything...and it will make a better world. I'm not just talking about Ken Wilber...it goes much deeper than that. We can become more aware of this critical mindset (ego) and learn how we self-contract in our own lives...and learn by inquiring into our own intuitions and feelings, along with our minds, to know more of ourselves. Individual and group consciousness affects everything...

Smarty...or do you want me to call you Toucan?

Yes, your right, the ego does select the context. ( I like how you worded that by the way.)

"To do so, it is further impaired by the structure and function of the brain, with it's built in reward and pleasure circuits and its naive, easily programmable software. In an attempt to deal with the complexity of data, the mind uses the shortcut of lumping data together into classes and algorithms. It therefore has to be able to instantly determine every bit of input, whether it is unlike or similar to all other data. In addition, all this incredible complexity is not only handled by the mind and its software, but it is also overwhelmingly 'experienced'. There is little time to analyze experience at the moments of its occurrence, it is already a given and included in the package which the mind automatically edits and files in the data bank of memory. The data is filed not only according to the form but also according to the subtle gradations of feeling that importantly determine where the information will be stored. Some is retrievable but a considerable portion is now buried and unavailable for conscious recall.

For instance, some data is stored in the "painful-do not recall" file. Some of this filed away, now irretrievable pain data, however, is stored as potential ammunition for self-attack and painful self-torture of guilt, remorse, and even suicide. Any occurance can trip the self-attack trigger and release a barrage of self-punishment. One mechanism the ego uses to protect itself is to disown the painful data and project it onto the world of others. The world then gets peopled with hateful enemies who origin was actually internal, and the ego fears attack from without instead of from within. Paranoia is an accompaniement to having an ego." -David Hawkins I:Reality and Subjectivity.

A postmodernist would call this, "choosing your own narrative."

I will open up a new thread, and talk more about the characteristics of enlightenment...and maybe some more about the ego...