Mark brought this one to my attention. From the blurb:

"This film interviews scholars who specialize in the origins of Christianity and it is based on the book, 'Caesar's Messiah' by Joseph Atwill, which sets about to prove that the Gospels were written at the behest of the ruling Flavian Dynasty of Rome by their Jewish allies who were fluent with Judaism but whose values were Roman, as wealthy Jewish representatives of the Roman government. The end result of the Gospels, they say, was the production of a new religion, which was also a form of Roman propaganda. This is not to say that the Gospels were not informed by sound, ethical teachings from Judaism and from the Stoic philosophy espoused by the Flavian Dynasty but they were ultimately about controlling the masses in a whole new, Statist way. As for the historical figure of Jesus, the scholars claim that there is no archeological evidence that such an individual existed but more likely, that the character was a composite of several Jewish prophets during the time of the Jewish-Roman War, who were crucified for their seditious, anti-Roman activities."

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Comment by andrew on November 1, 2013 at 3:08pm

The beginning of an end of an age and the start of a new age?

Comment by andrew on November 1, 2013 at 2:51pm

Hey there Bruce, here is a link from Chris Dierkes:

He asks if god has a shadow and i offer up an answer: Satan, the shadow of god! Anyhow, i'm happy someone has a use for anthropomorphism:)

Comment by Balder on November 1, 2013 at 12:33pm

Yeah, the snarkasm is rather heavy...

Comment by andrew on November 1, 2013 at 12:12pm

We have this apostle of the god CASH here in Kanada named Kevin O'Leary, funny at times, but imo., more a-hole than anything else. The point being, that whoever wrote that blog about Atwill is most likely correct, but man, does he ever come off as a complete a-hole!

Comment by DavidM58 on October 31, 2013 at 8:17pm

I have to agree with Trevor: No, Joe Atwill: Rome Did Not Invent Jesus.

Comment by Balder on October 31, 2013 at 2:14pm

I had shared this video a few weeks ago on the FB version of IPS, and Trevor Malkinson posted a link to the following blog which is in response to this thesis: No, Joe Atwill: Rome Did Not Invent Jesus.

Comment by andrew on October 31, 2013 at 2:03pm

This is obviously much more appropriate here on the fringe of alternate historical theory:

Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.

Money: the monotheistic god of this planet. The corporation has become the new Messiah who suffers the little children to come unto him through its charitable foundations- truly, the orphans have never been better treated? The Holy Spirit is the mysterious machinations of fiat currency, interest, bonds, credit default swaps , etc. The soteriological claims of this Messiah are the technological, scientific miracles it performs to save the planet (new geoengineering technology to stave off excess carbon in the atmosphere; human genome technology to cure disease, etc). This monotheistic money god also splits itself into the Trinity through the relationships between the Messiah, big banks and governments. The apostles are the global financiers and the Davos elites. The disciples are the entertainment and sports stars who promote the agenda of the Messiah. The Evangelists of this Messiah fill the Wall Street advertising hi-rises. The temples and churches of Walmart and Ikea etc. are full to overflowing 7 days a week with flocks of consumers. The rest of us are the believers in this new most successful form of Roman Christianity............................................................ 

Hey, and seeing how it's the fun time of Halloween i offer up this:

The year: 1666 A.D. (The beginning of the age of the central  banking cartels).

Satan, "This supernatural thing is getting old boss, let's agree to suspend all supernatural manifestations until the end of this age and let's up the ante on our bet 'cause this is gettin' too easy. Think about it, appearing to Constantine to pervert the teachings of that slacker you sent 1666 years ago, appearing to Muhammad and the result of that appearance being sheer brilliance, the inquisitions; man, i should be your favourite!"  "But alas, we all know your goodness prevents you from choosing faves and anyone with half a brain knows you don't subscribe to what the talking monkeys will come to call privileged access. Nevertheless, duping the talking monkey into believing you're  not good and deceiving the whole world will be much more fun if we both agree to use only natural device."

God, '"You're on! With one caveat--good must continue to mean good, as in I AM GOOD, and whole must continue to mean whole, as in you deceived the whole world,  agreed?"

Satan,  "No pro,  let the games begin!" " Anyway, it won't be until the 21st century that one of the talking monkeys figures out that everyone is partially wrong but even he won't be able to see why." " They don't call me subtle and beguiling for nothing!"

Seems there could be a long history of relationship between the  Roth's of the world and the


Comment by Edward theurj Berge on October 29, 2013 at 2:40pm

What is interesting though is the end of the video, the last 5-10 minutes. While making a solid case that Christianity was invented for political purposes, it was based on pagan and Hebrew rites that indeed have personal efficacy if seen as metaphors through which to enact personal transformation. The politics came in with selling the stories as literal truth, and that such transformation (salvation) could only be obtained through the intermediary of the Church. Hence even the metaphor of personal renewal was enforce literally as a metaphysical salvation in another realm, for in this one you had to be a slave to the Church and the State.

Comment by Edward theurj Berge on October 29, 2013 at 12:16pm

Sources used in the video:

Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus by Robert Atwell

Goodbye Jesus by John Hudson

Jesus Never Existed by Kenneth Humphreys

The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold by D.M. Murdoch/Archarya S.

The Jesus Mysteries and Jesus of the Lost Goddess co-authored by Timothy Freke

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