Illustration from ITC 2015 paper, Integral In-Dwelling

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Comment by Edward theurj Berge on June 5, 2015 at 2:38pm

It is not only wild but a naughty knot. Or as I sang in one of my old songs, The Three Veils of Negative Existence:
That's right, that's right, nothing

And not just nothing, but no nothing
And not no nothing neither

Sort of like the 10 ox herding pictures, where after the path one again enters the common marketplace. And again, like the emptiness of emptiness (non)doctrine, or like our friend differance, the transcendental condition of all opposition. Interestingly, the values assigned to the three veils are 0, with three of them being OOO. Hence my current fascination with finding a homeomorphic equivalence with object-oriented ontology.

Comment by Edward theurj Berge on June 5, 2015 at 2:38pm

Me: When I said 'center' of the diagram our language suggests A point. But the idea of Khora is that it is spacing itself which pre-positions all points (or in this case perspectives), not any particular point in space. Hence as this diagram is infinitely and reiteratively folding, khora is that 'space between' whose center is everywhere and circumference nowhere. Or as Wilber likes to wax poetic, the paper upon which it is written.

Comment by Edward theurj Berge on June 5, 2015 at 2:37pm

From the FB discussion:

Me: So what's at the center where the perspectives meet? Khora?

Balder: This is an example of a 'wild knot' which has no terminal point, but converges on an infinite folding.

Comment by Balder on June 5, 2015 at 11:13am

Thank you, Ambo and David.  I did not create the knot image myself (I wish I did); I'm using one I found on a site which illustrates the difference between knots and wild knots.  (In the paper, I give credit to the artist).  I chose it because it spoke to me on multiple levels, a number of which you picked up on in your reflections, Ambo.  In the paper I develop themes of entanglement, mutual in-dwelling or perichoresis, strong (inter)relation and concrete particularity at once, a 'prepositional' reading of the quadrants which yields insight into the interweaving or foldedness of perspectives, etc.  As the discussion developed, I recalled images of 'wild knots' I had shared earlier on the OOO and related threads, and returning to them, found they captured well a number of the concepts that drive this paper.

All the best,


P.S.  Thank you for the reminder about the film, "A Beautiful Mind."  I've wanted to watch that for awhile, so I will seek it out soon.

Comment by Ambo Suno on June 4, 2015 at 7:47pm
Nice, Bruce. Did you graphically create that?

What caught my eye immediately was the graphic illustration of complexity of how one and many, individual and collective weave together. And of course in places it can feel like a knot.

I had recently posted on Integral Life Community forum about the film A Beautiful Mind and there was mention of that seeming duality in the movie and in the post.

"In content, form, and the flowing story, without the need for proof of historical accuracy, "A Beautiful Mind" is a work of art.

Perhaps the 4th time watching it, I was surprised by more detail and more meaningful pattern than before. I cried, at points, more fully, albeit by myself alone, than before.

There was plenty of resonance with integral theory, of course.

The first one was when John Nash (played by Russel Crowe - an amazing performance by an amazing artist - I'm surprised to be acknowledging) said that Adam Smith's economic theory purporting that the financial interactions worked best when each person looked out for themselves, period, was wrong. Nash said, from viewing interactive dynamics and from logic, that an individual had to do what was best for himself/herself AND what was best for the collective of individuals. Both.

There was much more that was poignant about the capacity to recognize patterns, the tenuousness of mental apparati to discern real from imaginary/delusion, the thin lines between "sanity" and "insanity", and that the mystery of great love could modulate mind and heart and give meaning to achievement. Something like that.

Is it not a little strange how over time re-seeing films, art, and literature can yield different meanings and foreground different details than were noticed before?"

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Comment by DavidM58 on June 4, 2015 at 6:13pm


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