Polydoxy: Theology of Multiplicty and Relation - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-28T10:02:24Zhttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/polydoxy-theology-of?id=5301756%3ATopic%3A19801&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOne can download a copy of Po…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2017-07-06:5301756:Comment:692012017-07-06T20:19:37.414ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>One can download a copy of <em>Polydoxy</em> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://b-ok.org/s/?q=polydoxy+theology+of+multiciplicity+and+relation&yearFrom=&yearTo=&language=&extension=&t=0" target="_blank">here</a>. And <em>Cloud of the Impossible</em> <a href="http://b-ok.org/s/?q=cloud+of+the+impossible&yearFrom=&yearTo=&language=&extension=&t=0" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>One can download a copy of <em>Polydoxy</em> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://b-ok.org/s/?q=polydoxy+theology+of+multiciplicity+and+relation&yearFrom=&yearTo=&language=&extension=&t=0" target="_blank">here</a>. And <em>Cloud of the Impossible</em> <a href="http://b-ok.org/s/?q=cloud+of+the+impossible&yearFrom=&yearTo=&language=&extension=&t=0" target="_blank">here</a>.</p> Some of the review reminded m…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-07-30:5301756:Comment:620072015-07-30T22:00:46.164ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>Some of the review reminded me of the commentary on the ITC, like this:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>"To borrow a phrase from John Caputo, for Keller this dream theology is 'not what we say about God but how we DO God.'”</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span>And this on the current…</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>Some of the review reminded me of the commentary on the ITC, like this:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>"To borrow a phrase from John Caputo, for Keller this dream theology is 'not what we say about God but how we DO God.'”</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span>And this on the current system:</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span>"In its primary meaning, Keller argues, globalization 'signifies the neoliberal corporate economics' of oil and is leaving in its wake an interconnected world that is suffocating and strangling the shared life of creatures. For many in this relational globalized world, it is becoming impossible to breath."</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span>And on</span> <a rel="nofollow" class="profileLink" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/cameron.freeman.98?hc_location=ufi" target="_blank">Cameron</a><span>'s critique of IT:</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span>"For Keller, Nicholas of Cusa’s negative theology and its continual repetition 'God is not' offers not 'mastery over the mystery' of God but an intensification of mystery. And this intensification becomes an opening of our relations with God to the mystery of infinite possibility, to the mysterious possibility that all things are possible."</span></span></span></span></span></span></p> A good review of The Cloud of…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-07-30:5301756:Comment:619172015-07-30T18:41:25.218ZBalderhttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>A good <a href="https://www.christiancentury.org/reviews/2015-07/cloud-impossible-catherine-keller" target="_blank">review of The Cloud of the Impossible</a> in <em>The Christian Century</em>.</p>
<p>A good <a href="https://www.christiancentury.org/reviews/2015-07/cloud-impossible-catherine-keller" target="_blank">review of The Cloud of the Impossible</a> in <em>The Christian Century</em>.</p> theurj,
I'm still trying to f…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-06-09:5301756:Comment:615542015-06-09T18:46:49.579ZDavidM58https://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/DavidM58
<p>theurj,</p>
<p>I'm still trying to figure out what she's trying to say in the quote below. Can you translate? Is she encouraging theology to take on deconstruction and pluralism, or arguing for a more constructive approach instead?</p>
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<p>I'm still trying to figure out what she's trying to say in the quote below. Can you translate? Is she encouraging theology to take on deconstruction and pluralism, or arguing for a more constructive approach instead?</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>theurj said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/polydoxy-theology-of?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A60257#5301756Comment61131"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0823268446/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_QlMsvb01Y3H7F" target="_blank">Common Goods: Economy, Ecology, and Political Theology</a></em> (Transdisciplinary Theological Colloquia (FUP)) Paperback – September 1, 2015 by Melanie Johnson-DeBaufre (Editor), Catherine Keller (Editor), Elias Ortega-Aponte (Editor)</p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span>Also recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/religion-and-politics" target="_self">this</a> article, "Theopoetic/Theopolitic" by Keller and Caputo. An excerpt:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span>Keller: "Progressive theopolitics [...] does need concurrence on the formal criteria of progress: the actualization of social, ecological an</span></span><span><span><span>d planetary relations of justice with sustainability. [...] The more theology absorbs the methods of deconstruction and pluralism, the more the opposition between secularism and religion can itself be deconstructed. [...] Indeed ironically it may have been Hardt and Negri, those radically democratic and secular socialists, who kicked me into the evangelical register."</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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</blockquote> Quite comprehensive, except I…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-05-30:5301756:Comment:614302015-05-30T03:38:31.745ZDavidM58https://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/DavidM58
<p>Quite comprehensive, except I see nothing on the specific role of energy, (apart from the effects of fossil energy on our biosphere). Nothing on peak oil/energy depletion.</p>
<p>I do see that, in addition to Catherine Keller, and many other presenters, Nick Hedlund-DeWitt and Sean Kelly are both on the roster.</p>
<p>The 66 page pdf of the program (!) is…</p>
<p>Quite comprehensive, except I see nothing on the specific role of energy, (apart from the effects of fossil energy on our biosphere). Nothing on peak oil/energy depletion.</p>
<p>I do see that, in addition to Catherine Keller, and many other presenters, Nick Hedlund-DeWitt and Sean Kelly are both on the roster.</p>
<p>The 66 page pdf of the program (!) is <a href="https://www.ctr4process.org/whitehead2015/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/WH2015_online-program.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Ambo Suno said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/polydoxy-theology-of?id=5301756%3ATopic%3A19801&page=4#5301756Comment61539"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Uuhhmm - that's moving, B & DM. And the wheel of concerns at a glance seems quite comprehensive.<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <cite>Balder said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/polydoxy-theology-of?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A61623&xg_source=activity#5301756Comment61623"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.processphilosophy.org/one-thing-before-i-go-the-largest-transdisciplinary-conference-ever-held.html" target="_blank">This</a> looks like it might be interesting.</p>
<p>"<span class="larger">I have two of the most beautiful, intelligent, and lovable great-grandchildren in the world. At 89 years of age, I know I won’t have the chance to see them much longer.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">What saddens me is that I’m not leaving them a world nearly as hospitable as the one I was born into, or with such promising prospects.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">So I’ve decided there’s one thing I want to do before I go: help lay the foundations, not just for an environmentally sustainable fix here or there, but for an ecological civilization.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">Toward this end, I’m organizing with others the largest transdisciplinary conference ever held on behalf of the planet. We’re bringing together more than 700 presenters to discuss some 80 different topics, all focused on the foundations needed for a civilization radically different than what we’re living in – an ecological one.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">Why are we doing this? I realize that we have already passed the point where changes in our behavior will prevent extensive decay. Now it is just a matter of how bad it will be. But “how bad” is still a very important matter. It is too late to prevent extensive suffering. But it is not too late to make some difference.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">I am convinced that we won’t change direction until we change the way we think. We can’t solve the problems of environmental and social decay while employing the very ideas that have caused it.</span>..."</p>
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</blockquote> Uuhhmm - that's moving, B &am…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-05-29:5301756:Comment:615392015-05-29T22:07:50.981ZAmbo Sunohttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/AmboSuno
Uuhhmm - that's moving, B & DM. And the wheel of concerns at a glance seems quite comprehensive.<br />
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Uuhhmm - that's moving, B & DM. And the wheel of concerns at a glance seems quite comprehensive.<br />
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<cite>Balder said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/polydoxy-theology-of?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A61623&xg_source=activity#5301756Comment61623"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.processphilosophy.org/one-thing-before-i-go-the-largest-transdisciplinary-conference-ever-held.html" target="_blank">This</a> looks like it might be interesting.</p>
<p>"<span class="larger">I have two of the most beautiful, intelligent, and lovable great-grandchildren in the world. At 89 years of age, I know I won’t have the chance to see them much longer.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">What saddens me is that I’m not leaving them a world nearly as hospitable as the one I was born into, or with such promising prospects.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">So I’ve decided there’s one thing I want to do before I go: help lay the foundations, not just for an environmentally sustainable fix here or there, but for an ecological civilization.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">Toward this end, I’m organizing with others the largest transdisciplinary conference ever held on behalf of the planet. We’re bringing together more than 700 presenters to discuss some 80 different topics, all focused on the foundations needed for a civilization radically different than what we’re living in – an ecological one.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">Why are we doing this? I realize that we have already passed the point where changes in our behavior will prevent extensive decay. Now it is just a matter of how bad it will be. But “how bad” is still a very important matter. It is too late to prevent extensive suffering. But it is not too late to make some difference.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">I am convinced that we won’t change direction until we change the way we think. We can’t solve the problems of environmental and social decay while employing the very ideas that have caused it.</span>..."</p>
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<p>Yes, I would probably be going to that conference if I weren't already registered for ITC. I want to see if I can find someone going to that who might distribute my ITC paper there. I had a connection, but he seems to have disappeared. </p>
<p>FYI, the Herman Daly/John Cobb book "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Common-Good-Redirecting-Environment-Sustainable/dp/0807047058/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1432932061&sr=1-2&keywords=for+the+common+good" target="_blank">For the…</a></p>
<p>Yes, I would probably be going to that conference if I weren't already registered for ITC. I want to see if I can find someone going to that who might distribute my ITC paper there. I had a connection, but he seems to have disappeared. </p>
<p>FYI, the Herman Daly/John Cobb book "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Common-Good-Redirecting-Environment-Sustainable/dp/0807047058/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1432932061&sr=1-2&keywords=for+the+common+good" target="_blank">For the Common Good</a>: Redirecting the Economy Toward Community, the Environment, and a Sustainable Future, " is a classic that combines philosophical discourse with biophysical economics. I plan to take a deeper dive into it at some point. I loved Cobb's earlier book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Is-too-late-theology-ecology/dp/0962680737" target="_blank">Is It Too Late? A Theology of Ecology</a> - one of the first theology/philosopy/ecology books published. </p> This looks like it might be i…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-05-29:5301756:Comment:616232015-05-29T19:33:59.797ZBalderhttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p><a href="http://www.processphilosophy.org/one-thing-before-i-go-the-largest-transdisciplinary-conference-ever-held.html" target="_blank">This</a> looks like it might be interesting.</p>
<p>"<span class="larger">I have two of the most beautiful, intelligent, and lovable great-grandchildren in the world. At 89 years of age, I know I won’t have the chance to see them much longer.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">What saddens me is that I’m not leaving them a world nearly as hospitable as the…</span></p>
<p><a href="http://www.processphilosophy.org/one-thing-before-i-go-the-largest-transdisciplinary-conference-ever-held.html" target="_blank">This</a> looks like it might be interesting.</p>
<p>"<span class="larger">I have two of the most beautiful, intelligent, and lovable great-grandchildren in the world. At 89 years of age, I know I won’t have the chance to see them much longer.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">What saddens me is that I’m not leaving them a world nearly as hospitable as the one I was born into, or with such promising prospects.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">So I’ve decided there’s one thing I want to do before I go: help lay the foundations, not just for an environmentally sustainable fix here or there, but for an ecological civilization.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">Toward this end, I’m organizing with others the largest transdisciplinary conference ever held on behalf of the planet. We’re bringing together more than 700 presenters to discuss some 80 different topics, all focused on the foundations needed for a civilization radically different than what we’re living in – an ecological one.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">Why are we doing this? I realize that we have already passed the point where changes in our behavior will prevent extensive decay. Now it is just a matter of how bad it will be. But “how bad” is still a very important matter. It is too late to prevent extensive suffering. But it is not too late to make some difference.</span></p>
<p><span class="larger">I am convinced that we won’t change direction until we change the way we think. We can’t solve the problems of environmental and social decay while employing the very ideas that have caused it.</span>..."</p> Common Goods: Economy, Ecolog…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-05-07:5301756:Comment:611312015-05-07T18:39:30.671ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p><em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0823268446/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_QlMsvb01Y3H7F" target="_blank">Common Goods: Economy, Ecology, and Political Theology</a></em> (Transdisciplinary Theological Colloquia (FUP)) Paperback – September 1, 2015 by Melanie Johnson-DeBaufre (Editor), Catherine Keller (Editor), Elias Ortega-Aponte (Editor)</p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span>Also recall …</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0823268446/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_QlMsvb01Y3H7F" target="_blank">Common Goods: Economy, Ecology, and Political Theology</a></em> (Transdisciplinary Theological Colloquia (FUP)) Paperback – September 1, 2015 by Melanie Johnson-DeBaufre (Editor), Catherine Keller (Editor), Elias Ortega-Aponte (Editor)</p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span>Also recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/religion-and-politics" target="_self">this</a> article, "Theopoetic/Theopolitic" by Keller and Caputo. An excerpt:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span>Keller: "Progressive theopolitics [...] does need concurrence on the formal criteria of progress: the actualization of social, ecological an</span></span><span><span><span>d planetary relations of justice with sustainability. [...] The more theology absorbs the methods of deconstruction and pluralism, the more the opposition between secularism and religion can itself be deconstructed. [...] Indeed ironically it may have been Hardt and Negri, those radically democratic and secular socialists, who kicked me into the evangelical register."</span></span></span></span></span></span></p> For me, it was probably my re…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-03-04:5301756:Comment:601712015-03-04T20:00:27.953ZDavidM58https://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/DavidM58
<p>For me, it was probably my reading of Annie Dillard in the late seventies that contributed most to my eventual realization that I was not, in my heart of hearts, a true fundamentalist. Her words resonated so deeply that my experience was similar to the one she described: </p>
<p><span>“I had been my whole life a bell, and never knew it until at that moment I was lifted and struck.” </span><br></br><span>― </span><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/5209.Annie_Dillard">Annie…</a></p>
<p>For me, it was probably my reading of Annie Dillard in the late seventies that contributed most to my eventual realization that I was not, in my heart of hearts, a true fundamentalist. Her words resonated so deeply that my experience was similar to the one she described: </p>
<p><span>“I had been my whole life a bell, and never knew it until at that moment I was lifted and struck.” </span><br/><span>― </span><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/5209.Annie_Dillard">Annie Dillard</a><span>, </span><i><a href="http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2280883">Pilgrim at Tinker Creek</a></i></p>
<p>What was cool was that she happened to be an author in residence at WWU where I was attending. Only met her once though, at a book signing.</p>