Constructivist Foundations - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T09:18:34Zhttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/constructivist-foundations?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A9102&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi t - I am glad you posted t…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-03-16:5301756:Comment:643372016-03-16T17:53:01.488ZAmbo Sunohttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/AmboSuno
<p>Hi t - I am glad you posted this recent post linking to this thread on 'constructivisms' so that I can have in my vocabulary for potential philosophical conversation a fairly communicable and understandable category. As I might phrase it initially, something like, "constructivist approaches to coming to understand our way and place in this complex world."</p>
<p>You link to this site:…</p>
<p>Hi t - I am glad you posted this recent post linking to this thread on 'constructivisms' so that I can have in my vocabulary for potential philosophical conversation a fairly communicable and understandable category. As I might phrase it initially, something like, "constructivist approaches to coming to understand our way and place in this complex world."</p>
<p>You link to this site: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.univie.ac.at/constructivism/key.html#postulates" target="_blank">http://www.univie.ac.at/constructivism/key.html#postulates</a> . On that site on "Radical Constructivism" there are four postulates for common ground among all radical constructivist approaches. I find myself with some mild questioning about two of them, numbers 1 and 3, and just for fun (since there is so much info in this big topic of constructivist approaches that I don't have a grasp of), I'll mention them now.</p>
<p>#1 I suppose in one sense, maybe the most obvious sense, I can get that "The nervous system is organizationally closed." Immediately, however, my sense of the comment is that also it is not. So, hmm. I could say more.</p>
<p>#3 The second sentence sound right - I think I get it. The first sentence I don't really get. Maybe even without understanding what (s)he is trying to get to, I have an almost reflexive reaction to the declarative tidiness of it. So, hmm - questions.</p> Issue 11(2), 3/15/16.tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-03-15:5301756:Comment:642452016-03-15T17:24:46.673ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p><a href="http://www.univie.ac.at/constructivism/journal//11/2" target="_blank">Issue 11(2), 3/15/16</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.univie.ac.at/constructivism/journal//11/2" target="_blank">Issue 11(2), 3/15/16</a>.</p> Voker Gadenne, "The construct…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-18:5301756:Comment:91022011-03-18T00:54:10.698ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Voker Gadenne, "The construction of realism" (3:3 15 July 2008) abstract:</p>
<p>"In the controversy between realism and constructivism, both sides have often misunderstood each other. Many realists still consider constructivism as a kind of idealism. And constructivists often assume that realists believe they have direct access to things as they really are. It seems necessary to clarify the statements of either side, to rule out some misunderstandings, and then to discuss anew the central…</p>
<p>Voker Gadenne, "The construction of realism" (3:3 15 July 2008) abstract:</p>
<p>"In the controversy between realism and constructivism, both sides have often misunderstood each other. Many realists still consider constructivism as a kind of idealism. And constructivists often assume that realists believe they have direct access to things as they really are. It seems necessary to clarify the statements of either side, to rule out some misunderstandings, and then to discuss anew the central epistemological problems. A version of realism is proposed that takes into account constructivist ideas and objections. Realism as presented here is not opposed to the idea that cognition is a constructive process. According to this view, reality is something we presuppose in any attempt to attain knowledge though we can never be certain how things really are. Having knowledge amounts to the preliminary judgment that some hypotheses seem to correspond to reality better than others. In addition, it is demonstrated that a constructivist position that reduces the claim to knowledge even further does not solve the problems better but creates new ones."</p> Volume 3:3 discusses nonduali…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-18:5301756:Comment:92032011-03-18T00:23:36.810ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Volume 3:3 discusses nondualism, at least according to <a href="http://www.nondualism.info/" target="_blank">Josef Mitterer</a>. The linked biography says:</p>
<p>"But Mitterer irritated them [constructivists] when he included in his 1992 book a sharp criticism of the neurobiological foundations of constructivism, especially of <a href="http://www.inteco.cl/biology/" target="_blank">Humberto Maturana</a>, <a href="http://www.enolagaia.com/Varela.html" target="_blank">Francisco Varela</a> and…</p>
<p>Volume 3:3 discusses nondualism, at least according to <a href="http://www.nondualism.info/" target="_blank">Josef Mitterer</a>. The linked biography says:</p>
<p>"But Mitterer irritated them [constructivists] when he included in his 1992 book a sharp criticism of the neurobiological foundations of constructivism, especially of <a href="http://www.inteco.cl/biology/" target="_blank">Humberto Maturana</a>, <a href="http://www.enolagaia.com/Varela.html" target="_blank">Francisco Varela</a> and <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Roth_%28Biologe%29" target="_blank">Gerhard Roth</a>. Since then, the scientific community has seemed to be uncertain as to whether Mitterer should be labeled a constructivist or a critic of constructivism."</p> I would not forget such impor…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-17:5301756:Comment:90022011-03-17T12:27:33.471ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
I would not forget such important work. To the contrary I emphasize it in kennilingus complicity in covertly supporting such conservative, hegemonic discourse in political economy via the various economics threads going on in the forum.
I would not forget such important work. To the contrary I emphasize it in kennilingus complicity in covertly supporting such conservative, hegemonic discourse in political economy via the various economics threads going on in the forum. not to forget the very import…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-17:5301756:Comment:85342011-03-17T05:40:24.178Zxibalbahttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/xibalba
not to forget the very important works of Michel Foucault or Pierre Bourdieu on the genealogy of structures of hegemonic discourses hidden in langage, aimed to control wills to emancipatory consciousness and knowledge.
not to forget the very important works of Michel Foucault or Pierre Bourdieu on the genealogy of structures of hegemonic discourses hidden in langage, aimed to control wills to emancipatory consciousness and knowledge. Here's an interesting article…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-16:5301756:Comment:85312011-03-16T18:30:47.737ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Here's an interesting article by Humberto Maturana called "The biological foundations of virtual realities and their implications for human existence" (3:2, 2008). </p>
<p>"Our nervous system is continuously changing along the flow of our living, and it does so in a manner that is moment by moment contingent on the course of our living, both in our conscious and unconscious, external and internal, relational psychic space. As a result, all that we live, regardless of what kind of living we…</p>
<p>Here's an interesting article by Humberto Maturana called "The biological foundations of virtual realities and their implications for human existence" (3:2, 2008). </p>
<p>"Our nervous system is continuously changing along the flow of our living, and it does so in a manner that is moment by moment contingent on the course of our living, both in our conscious and unconscious, external and internal, relational psychic space. As a result, all that we live, regardless of what kind of living we live, arises in us modulated by the history of our psychic existence regardless of whether this takes place through our living in what an observer might call a virtual or a non-virtual reality. In these circumstances, and since our structure and the structure of the medium that we bring about systemically in our living change together congruently as we live, our living becomes dependent on the virtual realities that we live as they become systemic factors in the cultural realization of our living. In other words, as we live them repeatedly, realities that were initially virtual progressively stop being virtual. As features of our culture, they become part of our biological manner of living and, hence, of the non-virtual reality that we live."</p> Here's an excerpt from the ab…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-16:5301756:Comment:85302011-03-16T17:54:47.588ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Here's an excerpt from the abstract of Brier, S. (2009) "Cybersemiotic pragmatism and constructivism," <em>Constructivist Foundations</em> 5:1 (November):</p>
<p>"[We] must also accept as prerequisites...a pre-linguistic reality from which our bodies come.... Furthermore, we can no longer claim that there is a reality that we do not know anything about...we know that the world can produce more or less stable embodied consciousnesses that can exchange and construct conceptual meanings through…</p>
<p>Here's an excerpt from the abstract of Brier, S. (2009) "Cybersemiotic pragmatism and constructivism," <em>Constructivist Foundations</em> 5:1 (November):</p>
<p>"[We] must also accept as prerequisites...a pre-linguistic reality from which our bodies come.... Furthermore, we can no longer claim that there is a reality that we do not know anything about...we know that the world can produce more or less stable embodied consciousnesses that can exchange and construct conceptual meanings through embodied conversations and actions that last over time and exist in space-time and mind, and are correlated to our embodied practices. We can also see that our communication works through signs for all living systems as well as in human language, understood as a structured and progressively developed system of communication. The prerequisite for this social semiotic production of meaning is the fourfold 'semiotic star of cybersemiotics,' which includes at least four different worlds: our bodies, the combination of society, culture and language, our consciousness, and also an outer nature.</p>
<p>"The semiotic star in cybersemiotics claims that the internal subjective, the intersubjective linguistic, our living bodies, and nature are irreducible and equally necessary as epistemological prerequisites for knowing. The viable reality of any of them cannot be denied without self-refuting paradoxes. There is an obvious connectedness between the four worlds, which Peirce called 'synechism.' It also points to Peirce’s conclusion that logic and rationality are part of the process of semiosis, and that meaning in the form of semiosis is a fundamental aspect of reality, not just a construction in our heads."</p> I read William's blog on Gerg…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-16:5301756:Comment:87212011-03-16T17:35:21.656ZEdward theurj Bergehttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
I read William's blog on Gergen, good stuff. While Gergen might be on the more "radical" side of constructivism you can see from the blurb above the journal covers a wide range including our embodied, enactive cohorts as well as forms of nonduality. I became a member (no fee) to access the files and will post some excerpts with comments.
I read William's blog on Gergen, good stuff. While Gergen might be on the more "radical" side of constructivism you can see from the blurb above the journal covers a wide range including our embodied, enactive cohorts as well as forms of nonduality. I became a member (no fee) to access the files and will post some excerpts with comments. Nice find, Edward. I think I…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-16:5301756:Comment:85282011-03-16T14:32:08.470ZBalderhttps://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
Nice find, Edward. I think I mentioned <a href="http://www.taosinstitute.net/" target="_blank">The Taos Institute</a> to you a few months ago, which is another good resource for constructivist thought. The president of the institute is Kenneth Gergen. Some of his social constructivist views are a little extreme, and I am sympathetic to some of Wilber's criticisms of him, but I still think his work is useful (if partial, from an Integral perspective). This morning I just found that William…
Nice find, Edward. I think I mentioned <a target="_blank" href="http://www.taosinstitute.net/">The Taos Institute</a> to you a few months ago, which is another good resource for constructivist thought. The president of the institute is Kenneth Gergen. Some of his social constructivist views are a little extreme, and I am sympathetic to some of Wilber's criticisms of him, but I still think his work is useful (if partial, from an Integral perspective). This morning I just found that William Harryman has also done <a target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fintegral-options.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F09%2Fkenneth-gergen-on-relational-being.html&ei=zcmATaT_JoTmsQOP3MySBg&usg=AFQjCNHJBq77HgFP4dXtihR0kW9pHeMFGw&sig2=R3SjsiFFWd1e-xtsY4_cxQ">some blogging on him</a>.