Who is the World-Teacher? - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T10:25:46Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/who-is-the-world-teacher?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A42797&feed=yes&xn_auth=noInterestingly, kairos refers…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-11:5301756:Comment:427972012-08-11T05:23:22.904ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p><strong><em>Interestingly, kairos refers to an opportune time for one skilled in rhetoric to take advantage. It also refers to another kind of time, one more indeterminate. Recall ordinal time from <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756:Comment:40681" target="_self">this post</a> and above.</em></strong></p>
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<p>Yes, I thought you would appreciate that!</p>
<p><strong><em>Interestingly, kairos refers to an opportune time for one skilled in rhetoric to take advantage. It also refers to another kind of time, one more indeterminate. Recall ordinal time from <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756:Comment:40681" target="_self">this post</a> and above.</em></strong></p>
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<p>Yes, I thought you would appreciate that!</p> Maybe VALIS is the coming Chr…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-11:5301756:Comment:428442012-08-11T05:20:09.450ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Maybe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS" target="_blank">VALIS</a> is the coming Christ! Jeez Louise...</p>
<p>Maybe <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS" target="_blank">VALIS</a> is the coming Christ! Jeez Louise...</p> I see Cthulhu in the 2nd one.…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-11:5301756:Comment:429442012-08-11T05:03:43.957ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>I see Cthulhu in the 2nd one. All hail! Interestingly, kairos refers to an opportune time for one skilled in rhetoric to take advantage. It also refers to another kind of time, one more indeterminate. Recall ordinal time from <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756:Comment:40681" target="_self">this post</a> and above.</p>
<p><br></br>Btw, <em>Total Recall</em> was quite good. Excellent action and an interesting political allegory.…</p>
<p>I see Cthulhu in the 2nd one. All hail! Interestingly, kairos refers to an opportune time for one skilled in rhetoric to take advantage. It also refers to another kind of time, one more indeterminate. Recall ordinal time from <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756:Comment:40681" target="_self">this post</a> and above.</p>
<p><br/>Btw, <em>Total Recall</em> was quite good. Excellent action and an interesting political allegory. Better than I was expecting. And with the usual Dickean Borromean knots, complete with super hero that saves the day. That he forgot he was the hero goes along with our reluctant messiah meme, as he must re-member (like Osiris).</p> Didn't Thomas have a white go…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-11:5301756:Comment:429432012-08-11T02:17:15.688ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p><strong><em>Didn't Thomas have a white gold ring that shot fire? I read it very early in life but I always remembered the leper and the while gold.</em></strong></p>
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<p>Yes, that's it. I must have read these books when I was 15 or so, so I'm not sure why they've suddenly returned to awareness. (I was interested to find, looking now at some online discussions of the books, that the three Ravers, evil demonic beings, were named after the three stages of enlightenment: Moksha,…</p>
<p><strong><em>Didn't Thomas have a white gold ring that shot fire? I read it very early in life but I always remembered the leper and the while gold.</em></strong></p>
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<p>Yes, that's it. I must have read these books when I was 15 or so, so I'm not sure why they've suddenly returned to awareness. (I was interested to find, looking now at some online discussions of the books, that the three Ravers, evil demonic beings, were named after the three stages of enlightenment: Moksha, Samadhi, and Turiya.)</p>
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<p><strong><em>So even myriad emerging networks of P2P multitudes may operate to generate a summarizing individual or legendary virtual person.</em></strong></p>
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<p>Yes, in our age, or the near future, I can image the emergence of a digital yidam that enfolds and embodies our <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kairos" target="_blank">kairotic</a> spirit...</p>
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<p>Or Borromean fractals:</p>
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<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2463095746?profile=original"><img class="align-center" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2463095746?profile=original" width="600"/></a><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2463095823?profile=original"><img class="align-center" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2463095823?profile=original" width="600"/></a></p> And my fav PKD novel was his…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-10:5301756:Comment:429412012-08-10T11:59:09.741ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>And my fav PKD novel was his last, <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transmigration_of_Timothy_Archer" target="_blank">The Transmigration of Timothy Archer</a></em>. Therein he questioned his entire oeuvre in that previously there as always a <em>real</em> behind the apparent that came to be revealed. In TTA there might be a real but it can never be fully known, and that the search to do so was folly that ended in totalitarianism and madness. He was ahead of his time and fits…</p>
<p>And my fav PKD novel was his last, <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transmigration_of_Timothy_Archer" target="_blank">The Transmigration of Timothy Archer</a></em>. Therein he questioned his entire oeuvre in that previously there as always a <em>real</em> behind the apparent that came to be revealed. In TTA there might be a real but it can never be fully known, and that the search to do so was folly that ended in totalitarianism and madness. He was ahead of his time and fits nicely into our burgeoning postmetaphysical era. Someone simply must make this into a movie.</p> Since you mentioned PK Dick (…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-10:5301756:Comment:428422012-08-10T11:39:14.312ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Since you mentioned PK Dick (yes, I'm a Dickhead), I've yet to see the remake of <em>Total Recall</em>, going this weekend. It's not doing so well at the box office, not sure of the reviews. I enjoyed the original with Arnold. And of course PKD's original story. Looking forward to Beckinsale and Biel in fight scenes.</p>
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<p>Since you mentioned PK Dick (yes, I'm a Dickhead), I've yet to see the remake of <em>Total Recall</em>, going this weekend. It's not doing so well at the box office, not sure of the reviews. I enjoyed the original with Arnold. And of course PKD's original story. Looking forward to Beckinsale and Biel in fight scenes.</p>
<p></p> My hermetic qabalah experienc…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-10:5301756:Comment:429402012-08-10T11:31:27.231ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>My hermetic qabalah experience was that such virtual persons were the god/desses, or archetypes more psychologically understood. And that during ceremony these virtuals manifested through individuals playing their parts. Hence there was no one individual who was the virtual entity in toto, no one God/dess wo/man. Granted the metaphysically-minded saw the god/desses themselves as self-existent, individual entities. But again, there was a pantheon, with no one the ultimate leader or world…</p>
<p>My hermetic qabalah experience was that such virtual persons were the god/desses, or archetypes more psychologically understood. And that during ceremony these virtuals manifested through individuals playing their parts. Hence there was no one individual who was the virtual entity in toto, no one God/dess wo/man. Granted the metaphysically-minded saw the god/desses themselves as self-existent, individual entities. But again, there was a pantheon, with no one the ultimate leader or world teacher. Except of course with the more totalitarian-minded, who just had to have someOne in charge.</p> THE MANY MESSIAH
Yes, the end…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-09:5301756:Comment:427932012-08-09T23:57:54.460ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>THE MANY MESSIAH</p>
<p>Yes, the end of my section of various positions relative to the world-teacher ends with a mention of the various ideas of the contemporary group of individuals being each or collectively the world-teacher... the sangha-buddha. </p>
<p>My private gnostic reading of early Christianity resembles this already very much -- the establishment of new, interlinked communities which bypass the local geographic nationalisms and access the mind-expanding wisdom preserved in the…</p>
<p>THE MANY MESSIAH</p>
<p>Yes, the end of my section of various positions relative to the world-teacher ends with a mention of the various ideas of the contemporary group of individuals being each or collectively the world-teacher... the sangha-buddha. </p>
<p>My private gnostic reading of early Christianity resembles this already very much -- the establishment of new, interlinked communities which bypass the local geographic nationalisms and access the mind-expanding wisdom preserved in the esoteric monasteries... but they generated a christ character out of this... the Trans-Personal Man who incarnates the wise-sayings which are passed around the networked peer-groups. So even myriad emerging networks of P2P multitudes may operate to generate a summarizing individual or legendary virtual person. </p>
<p>THE ANTI-ONE</p>
<p>The teacher rejecting his status as the world-teacher is VERY "contemporary world-teacher". At the same time one of the general attributes that is seemingly assumed by most intuitive historical approaches to this character does involve the sense of the leader whose very reluctance is proof of his moral appropriateness. So a certain kind of "in spite of oneself" has always been a factor. It should be on the list. But our modern style of this may be distinct... more performative, ironic, nuanced, ambiguous, or whatnot.</p>
<p>Didn't Thomas have a white gold ring that shot fire? I read it very early in life but I always remembered the leper and the while gold. </p> Good points, Ed. I was swept…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-09:5301756:Comment:430242012-08-09T17:48:36.901ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Good points, Ed. I was swept up in the "World Teacher" longing at one time, back when I was studying Krishnamurti's works and later living at one of his schools. He was the "<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">world teacher</span> ;-)" -- chosen by Theosophists as The One and then rejecting their adulation; working as a globe-spanning spiritual teacher while trying to erase himself as an authority; talking about being a vehicle of an intelligence that only rarely manifests itself…</p>
<p>Good points, Ed. I was swept up in the "World Teacher" longing at one time, back when I was studying Krishnamurti's works and later living at one of his schools. He was the "<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">world teacher</span> ;-)" -- chosen by Theosophists as The One and then rejecting their adulation; working as a globe-spanning spiritual teacher while trying to erase himself as an authority; talking about being a vehicle of an intelligence that only rarely manifests itself when the right bodily vehicle is born, while at the same time denouncing the whole "world teacher" myth as childish seeking after security. I see him now as a sort of modern-era "Protestant" mystic; he stands, in modern(ist)/individualist fashion, as a kind of Martin Luther over against the vast mythic-mystical lineages and institutions of the land of his birth.</p>
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<p>For some reason I haven't been able to identify, the Thomas Covenant series (and the character) have been on my mind. It has been over 20 years, probably, since I read those books, and I don't know if I'd even enjoy them now, but I've had the "aura" of this series haunting my thoughts for the past few days. Thinking about the theme of this thread, Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever is another example of an anti-One: this time, he is The One in spite of himself. He is a bitter, selfish leper, unwillingly (at first) getting pulled into helping the inhabitants of the Land deal with Lord Foul. He only actualizes his salvific power for the ailing land through the faith and hope that others unflaggingly place in him. Repeating the theme we've touched on here several times recently: the One as a gesture of the Many. (There are shades of this in Neo, too).</p> We see this residue of a Savi…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-09:5301756:Comment:427922012-08-09T13:53:31.022ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>We see this residue of a Savior in <em>The Matrix</em>, The One. Not surprisingly, there is an attachment to the metaphysical One within this frame. We're going multiplex (multiplicity).</p>
<p>We see this residue of a Savior in <em>The Matrix</em>, The One. Not surprisingly, there is an attachment to the metaphysical One within this frame. We're going multiplex (multiplicity).</p>