Watkins Review - Top 100 Spiritual Leaders - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T10:20:19Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/watkins-review-top-100?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A11003&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIf they have to be alive and…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-03:5301756:Comment:118022011-04-03T14:31:17.875ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
If they have to be alive and classified under what we might term religious or spiritual then John Caputo is #1 for me, with David Loy and Stephen Batchelor close behind, then David Michael Levin and Mark Epstein. Notice they're all at least nominally Buddhist except the Catholic Caputo, and I need to find more exemplars of Caputo's kind in Christianity. (Oh yes, Catherine Keller.) And of course Michael Lerner of Judaism. <br/>
If they have to be alive and classified under what we might term religious or spiritual then John Caputo is #1 for me, with David Loy and Stephen Batchelor close behind, then David Michael Levin and Mark Epstein. Notice they're all at least nominally Buddhist except the Catholic Caputo, and I need to find more exemplars of Caputo's kind in Christianity. (Oh yes, Catherine Keller.) And of course Michael Lerner of Judaism. <br/> M'kay, a few more: Michael Mo…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-03:5301756:Comment:117052011-04-03T02:38:07.904ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
M'kay, a few more: Michael Moore. Maya Angelou. (Desmond Tutu). (Janelle Monae). :)
M'kay, a few more: Michael Moore. Maya Angelou. (Desmond Tutu). (Janelle Monae). :) Hey, folks: isn't including d…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-03:5301756:Comment:109182011-04-03T01:53:47.589ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
<p>Hey, folks: isn't including dead people cheating? The original Watkins list specifies LIVING spiritual leaders...</p>
<p>So for my list I've included, in no particular order, people who are still living and who self-identify in some fashion as spiritual or religious, with an emphasis on those I have met face-to-face or whose talks, rituals, or teachings I've attended in person. (Those in parenthesis are teachers whose works/actions have influenced me but whom I've never met): Thomas…</p>
<p>Hey, folks: isn't including dead people cheating? The original Watkins list specifies LIVING spiritual leaders...</p>
<p>So for my list I've included, in no particular order, people who are still living and who self-identify in some fashion as spiritual or religious, with an emphasis on those I have met face-to-face or whose talks, rituals, or teachings I've attended in person. (Those in parenthesis are teachers whose works/actions have influenced me but whom I've never met): Thomas Keating, Cynthia Bourgeault, Richard Rohr, <span id="search">Agbonkhianmeghe Orabator, Justin Langille,</span> Barbara Quinn, Meg Funk, Sudhamani aka "Amma," Thich Nhat Hanh, Helen Prejean, Jim Wallis, James Martin, Richard Groves, Catholic Workers, Rami Shapiro, Michael Lerner, Michael Dowd, Jack Jezreel, Jane Via, (Karen Armstrong), (Luisah Teisch), (Ken Wilber), (Brian Swimme), (Stephen Colbert), (Beatrice Bruteau), (Joan Chittister), (Cornel West), (David Richo).</p>
<p> </p> my fave is still Jiddu krishn…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-01:5301756:Comment:110072011-04-01T17:08:33.626Zxibalbahttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/xibalba
my fave is still Jiddu krishnamurti
my fave is still Jiddu krishnamurti Of course! Tarthang Tulku is…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-01:5301756:Comment:114012011-04-01T17:07:25.792ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
Of course! Tarthang Tulku is number 3 on my list (with the first three ordered chronologically in terms of their influence on me) :-)
Of course! Tarthang Tulku is number 3 on my list (with the first three ordered chronologically in terms of their influence on me) :-) Hi Bruce,
How about Tarthang…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-01:5301756:Comment:112202011-04-01T17:04:59.993ZDaviduhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/Davidu
<p>Hi Bruce,</p>
<p>How about Tarthang Tulku Rinpoche ... ?</p>
<p>Hi Bruce,</p>
<p>How about Tarthang Tulku Rinpoche ... ?</p> and:
Michel de Notre-dame or…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-01:5301756:Comment:110062011-04-01T14:50:02.627Zxibalbahttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/xibalba
<p>and:</p>
<p>Michel de Notre-dame or Nostradamus, Manly.P.Hall, Cagliostro, Comte de St Germain, Franz Mesmer, Christian Rosencreutz, lautréamont, Horbigger, André Breton, Rainhold Ebertin, Sepharial, St Martin, Jacques de Mollay, Paracelsus, Albert Magus, Abulafia, Ibn Marwan, Moses de Leon, Swedenborg, Rasputin, Gurdieff, Rabelais, pedro el santero, baron Samedi, fra Grandier, Goshalak, Devadatta.</p>
<p>and:</p>
<p>Michel de Notre-dame or Nostradamus, Manly.P.Hall, Cagliostro, Comte de St Germain, Franz Mesmer, Christian Rosencreutz, lautréamont, Horbigger, André Breton, Rainhold Ebertin, Sepharial, St Martin, Jacques de Mollay, Paracelsus, Albert Magus, Abulafia, Ibn Marwan, Moses de Leon, Swedenborg, Rasputin, Gurdieff, Rabelais, pedro el santero, baron Samedi, fra Grandier, Goshalak, Devadatta.</p> Some of your list Balder also…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-01:5301756:Comment:112152011-04-01T12:49:57.606ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
Some of your list Balder also speak to me, at least partially: Wilber, Levin, Loy, Epstein, Schumacher, Varela, Kornfield, Watts, Bortoft. I guess I'd also have to include my former occult mentors (all dead) like Aleister Crowley, Israel Regardie, Paul Foster Case, Dion Fortune, Samuel Mathers, Arthur Edward Waite, William Wynn Wescott, John Dee, Eliphas Levi, Giordano Bruno, John Dee, Iamblilcus, Charles Leadbeater, Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, Simon Magus, Pico della Mirandola,…
Some of your list Balder also speak to me, at least partially: Wilber, Levin, Loy, Epstein, Schumacher, Varela, Kornfield, Watts, Bortoft. I guess I'd also have to include my former occult mentors (all dead) like Aleister Crowley, Israel Regardie, Paul Foster Case, Dion Fortune, Samuel Mathers, Arthur Edward Waite, William Wynn Wescott, John Dee, Eliphas Levi, Giordano Bruno, John Dee, Iamblilcus, Charles Leadbeater, Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, Simon Magus, Pico della Mirandola, Plotinus, Henry Cornelius Agrippa. And last but probably most important, though not a "person" but rather archetypes (prototypes), The Tarot. Hey, if corporations can be people why not images?<br/> Well, this is not exhaustive,…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-04-01:5301756:Comment:112092011-04-01T05:51:34.021ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Well, this is not exhaustive, (and I'm not sure if this is what you were asking for, Edward), but here is a list of some of the major influences on my own spiritual thinking over the years that spring easily to mind -- naming spiritual teachers, here, specifically, rather than a broader list of intellectual influences. I'm also naming only living or recently living teachers (all within the last hundred years or so, save one that goes back a little further). For those of you who know me,…</p>
<p>Well, this is not exhaustive, (and I'm not sure if this is what you were asking for, Edward), but here is a list of some of the major influences on my own spiritual thinking over the years that spring easily to mind -- naming spiritual teachers, here, specifically, rather than a broader list of intellectual influences. I'm also naming only living or recently living teachers (all within the last hundred years or so, save one that goes back a little further). For those of you who know me, many of these names will be no surprise. </p>
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<p>Thomas Merton<br/>Krishnamurti<br/>Tarthang Tulku<br/>Jean Klein<br/>Ken Wilber<br/>David Michael Levin<br/>Raimon Panikkar<br/>Francisco Varela<br/>Michel Bitbol<br/>Brian Swimme<br/>Joanna Macy<br/>Henryk Skolimowski (really only one text; a number of his other texts have failed to speak to me)<br/>Alan Watts<br/>Jack Kornfield<br/>Nisargadatta Maharaj<br/>Mark Epstein<br/>Kitaro Nishida<br/>Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche<br/>Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche<br/>Beatrice Bruteau<br/>Anne C. Klein<br/>Herbert Guenther<br/>Peter Matthiessen<br/>Gerard Manley Hopkins<br/>Rainer Maria Rilke<br/>E.F. Schumacher<br/>David Loy<br/>Henri Bortoft</p> Edward -- Yes. (I think we di…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-03-31:5301756:Comment:110032011-03-31T23:52:45.639ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
<p>Edward -- Yes. (I think we discussed this on Gaia a while back). Back in the mid-1990s, when I was feeling drawn back to Christianity but simultaneously resistant because I loathed church legalism & dogma, I discovered a tiny congregation in my neighborhood called the <a href="http://www.azlcc.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Liberal Catholic Church International</a>, with presiding Bishop Dean Bekken (who has now gone on to start another church in Arizona, the…</p>
<p>Edward -- Yes. (I think we discussed this on Gaia a while back). Back in the mid-1990s, when I was feeling drawn back to Christianity but simultaneously resistant because I loathed church legalism & dogma, I discovered a tiny congregation in my neighborhood called the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.azlcc.org/" target="_blank">Liberal Catholic Church International</a>, with presiding Bishop Dean Bekken (who has now gone on to start another church in Arizona, the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.universalcatholic.org/" target="_blank">Universal Catholic Church</a>). I started going to the LCC for a while, and loved its openness to seekers who were feeling alienated from the Roman church because of its take on women, sexual orientation, independent mindedness, etc. The pastor there eventually broke with the LCC and opened a branch of the <a href="http://www.cacina.org/" target="_blank">Catholic Apostolic Church in North America</a>. We had a nice thing going for a little while there, but we were too small and at a certain point could no longer pay the rent for the storefront space. I eventually found a Jesuit-run parish that was wonderfully broad-minded and rejoined the Roman church.</p>
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<p>Have you checked out Austin's <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consciousharmony.org/who_we_are/essence.htm" target="_blank">Church of Conscious Harmony</a>? It is an independent church rooted in two "legs" -- contemplative Christianity (as taught by Thomas Keating and others associated with the the centering prayer and Christian meditation movements) and the esoteric Fourth Way "Work" (as taught by Gurdjieff and others). I've never been there myself, but met some members when there was a Contemplative Outreach gathering in San Diego. That's probably where I'd be going if I were in Austin.</p>