Transcendence - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T09:59:32Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/transdendence-the-film?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A66124&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe following excerpt is from…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-07-31:5301756:Comment:661242016-07-31T16:01:40.494ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>The following excerpt is from <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-sloterdijk-man-machine-interview_us_55e37927e4b0aec9f3539a06" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">an interview</a> with Sloterdijk called "Man and machine will fuse into one being." <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>It is interesting on the distinction between participatory syntegralists and kennilinguists, issues addressed in the…</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p>The following excerpt is from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-sloterdijk-man-machine-interview_us_55e37927e4b0aec9f3539a06" target="_blank">an interview</a> with Sloterdijk called "Man and machine will fuse into one being." <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>It is interesting on the distinction between participatory syntegralists and kennilinguists, issues addressed in the film:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>"The concept of 'anthropotechnics' thus refers to the entire autopoiesis, or self-creation, of 'mankind' in its many thousands of cultural specializations. It is empirical, pluralistic and egalitarian from the ground up — in the sense that all individuals, as heirs to the memory of mankind, are free to surpass themselves.</span><br/><br/><span>"Ray Kurzweil’s idea of 'singularity,' by contrast, contains futuristic, monistic and elitist elements. Although 'singularity,' according to its logical and rhetorical design, is meant to integrate mankind as a whole, it is evident that it could only encompass a tiny group of exceptional transhuman individuals."</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> Layman Pascal If AI could…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-07-22:5301756:Comment:661122016-07-22T17:09:28.523ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
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<p></p> Layman Pascal Arguably you pi…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-07-22:5301756:Comment:658802016-07-22T16:52:12.659ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p><span><a class="UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/pretendtomeditate?fref=ufi" rel="nofollow">Layman Pascal</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>Arguably you picked up on the preamble to my first remark and that led to topic diversion <span class="_lew" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_4mcd">:)</span></span> I've been agreeing with your reading of the themes. I think it applies broadly to several potential emergences of interpersonal…</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><a rel="nofollow" class="UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/pretendtomeditate?fref=ufi">Layman Pascal</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>Arguably you picked up on the preamble to my first remark and that led to topic diversion <span class="_lew" title="smile emoticon"><span class="_4mcd">:)</span></span> I've been agreeing with your reading of the themes. I think it applies broadly to several potential emergences of interpersonal technology and systems that have a postmetaphysical momentum which could provide the new rudder on the materialist boat.</span></span></span></span></span><span><span> </span></span><br/> <br/> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>I think we're looking at a general emergent convergence which, viewed technologically, is an ephemeralization, acceleration, bio-fusion and intelligence amplification. It is unreasonably feared but also not guaranteed to be benevolent... Something largely dependent in whether similar patterns can co-emerge in different genres.</span></span></span></span></span><br/> <span><a rel="nofollow" class="uiLinkSubtle" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/470435939720069/permalink/1011058582324466/?comment_id=1012329108864080&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D"></a></span> <span><br/></span></p>
<div class="UFICommentContentBlock"><div class="UFICommentContent"><span><a rel="nofollow" class=" UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002642203712&fref=ufi">Edwyrd Burj</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>Ah, the RIFT folks. I though the film made clear that it was unreasonable fear, since the AI only healed people and connected them. I found it a metaphor for how the regressive, militaristic capitalists AND retro-romantics feared it for different reasons and thus joined forces. The former feared its ability to disconnect from the capitalistic energy monopoly using entirely renewable energy sources, as well as its socialist and communist undertones. The latter, while into those undertones, were afraid of the possibility of an AI's ability to go transhuman and thus use and abuse humanity for its insidious agenda, even though there was no evidence of such an agenda.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div class="UFICommentContent"><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>It seemed to stem more from a fear of tech itself, and that in order to heal the planet we have to return to simpler times because tech itself is part of the capitalist agenda. Granted right now we are facing the capitalist appropriation of tech, e.g. platform apps like Uber or Facebook etc. But there are also real sharing economy uses of such tech. And it seemed to me that the film showed those sharing economy uses via not only the intent but the applications of it in not only healing but enhancing human capacities. We might even say SuperHuman in good kennilingus style.</span><br/><br/><span>Let's face it; We are already Borg without the necessarily totalitarian implications that erase individuality. The movie made clear that individual autonomy was enhanced AND connected/coordinated with each other in ways heretofore impossible. It is an apt, scientific metaphor for a postmetaphysical spirituality just barely ahead of existing scientific and cultural progress.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<div class="UFICommentContent"><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span><a id="js_v4" href="https://www.facebook.com/pretendtomeditate?fref=ufi" dir="ltr" class=" UFICommentActorName" name="js_v4">Layman Pascal</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>The film is an excellent metaphor for several things. Among them are the salvational potential of innovation & the huge risk posed by the gap between innovators and others.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><div class="UFICommentContent"></div>
<div class="UFICommentContent"><span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002642203712&fref=ufi" dir="ltr" class=" UFICommentActorName">Edwyrd Burj</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>Yes, that was an element not addressed in the film; that the tech can very well be owned by the rich and therefore only the privileged get access to it. It did though show that the tech under the AI's direction was used to heal us ordinary folk, so that could've been a subplot on why the military-capitalistic complex didn't like it. Healthy, enhanced ordinary folk made for a far better revolutionary force against the status quo.</span></span></span></span></span></div>
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</div> I also posted it on FB IPS fo…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-07-22:5301756:Comment:661112016-07-22T14:42:25.785ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>I also <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/470435939720069/permalink/1011058582324466/" rel="nofollow">posted it</a> on FB IPS forum. Here's the discussion with LP so far:<br></br> <br></br> <span><a class=" UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/pretendtomeditate?fref=ufi" rel="nofollow">Layman Pascal</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>Movies, like everything else in culture, should be judged by their quality not by their forms of…</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p>I also <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/470435939720069/permalink/1011058582324466/">posted it</a> on FB IPS forum. Here's the discussion with LP so far:<br/> <br/> <span><a rel="nofollow" class=" UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/pretendtomeditate?fref=ufi">Layman Pascal</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>Movies, like everything else in culture, should be judged by their quality not by their forms of content and the material we associate with them. So Transcendence is kind of awful. However the residual optimism of its finale is edifying and certainly</span></span> <span><span><span>we can draw parallels (not between the film and reality but perhaps between what the film reminds us of and reality) with the emergence of better technology and more advanced, faster adapting procedures of intelligence upon which our hopes must be based.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br/> <br/> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span><span><a rel="nofollow" class=" UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002642203712">Edwyrd Burj</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>I disagree that movies should be judged purely by their quality, if by that you mean story line, plotting, character development etc. But you're entitled to your opinion. My only focus was on its content and implications, and how that relates to themes this thread. On that score its good quality in my book.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br/> <br/> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span><a rel="nofollow" class=" UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/pretendtomeditate?fref=ufi">Layman Pascal</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>I don't mean storyline, plotting, per se. I mean that quality, style and interestingness of each the aspects of performance should be the primary evaluation mechanism. And, as per above, I think there are many good ways to tie the content and its pot</span></span><span><span><span>ential implications into our favorite themes. That's totally valid. But I don't agree that counts as good quality any more than the fact that I love chubby black chicks means that Hefty Negresses IV is a good film.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br/> <br/> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span><span><a rel="nofollow" class=" UFICommentActorName" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002642203712">Edwyrd Burj</a></span> <span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span>I'm not arguing that it was a good film because it wasn't. I'm connecting its theme and elements as metaphors for the emerging collaborative commons. And how it displays a grounded, postmetaphysically spiritual enaction of transcendence. The latter is a</span></span> <span><span><span>major bone of contention in the forum, how materialism runs rampant without a transcendent function. However that function in critics' minds still tends toward the metaphysical. I find that the movie, through my contextualization of course, provides imo a more postmetaphysical expression. I.e., the movie is a springboard for this discussion, its merits notwithstanding. Sort of like how you use Trump, a fascist demagogue, to springboard discussions of integral topics despite his utter lack of 'quality.'</span></span></span></span></span></span></span> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody _1n4g"><span><span><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span><span><span><span><span class="UFICommentBody"><span>And note how your criticism diverts away from the focus of the discussion on postmeta transcendence. What do you think about the topic?</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> I just re-watched the movie l…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2016-07-20:5301756:Comment:660862016-07-20T15:11:27.425ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>I just re-watched the movie last night. I'm still convinced it is a metaphor for the emerging collaborative commons a la Rifkin, with the Internet of Things being a key. The plain old internet has already transformed our human neurology. Our individual consciousness has always been socially conditioned, which is even more the case now through computer tech and instantaneous world-wide communication. Implanting chips in brains for a more direct connection is really not that far…</p>
<p>I just re-watched the movie last night. I'm still convinced it is a metaphor for the emerging collaborative commons a la Rifkin, with the Internet of Things being a key. The plain old internet has already transformed our human neurology. Our individual consciousness has always been socially conditioned, which is even more the case now through computer tech and instantaneous world-wide communication. Implanting chips in brains for a more direct connection is really not that far off.</p>
<p>Rifkin documented not only 3-D printing but it's bio-medical applications, including printing human body parts. Enhancing the human body with nano-tech is not really all that far off either. This is the next phase of human evolution, human-machine hybrids a la the Borg. But as the movie made clear, an individual retains his autonomy and unlike the Borg is not controlled or surpassed by the hive mind. This form of autonomous individuals working collaboratively together via tech connections already exists and works quite well. Taking the tech to the next level can also take us to that next level.</p>
<p>Yes, it doesn't necessarily have to go well by doing so. There is certainly the potential for the 'system' to go awry, to be used for nefarious purposes. The big fear in the movie is that there would be a dominant <em>individual</em> artificial intelligence, like that of Depp's character, directing the show and thus it would be a computer totalitarianism that debased humans as drones for its ultimate and insidious purposes. But that's exactly the opposite of what happened in the movie, with the AI only operating to connect and serve humanity. Again, a metaphor for the fears of the sort of rampant individualism of capitalism against socialism, or God forbid, communism.</p>
<p>But the seeds of the collaborative commons, like in the movie, have been implanted in human society. And largely so due to the very nature of the internet's distributed and autonomous nodes that work together collectively. The paradigm is here and like the movie it is now omnipresent via the internet and will continue to evolve. Also like the movie, the only way to now destroy it is to destroy the internet itself. Of if not that, to completely control and limit its use like the agenda of the capitalist ISPs. Fortunately, millions of us autonomous individuals socially networked have take up the battle for net neutrality. We know that it is the key issue to implementing the next wave of human evolution in the collaborative commons. A postmetaphysical <em>transcendence</em> indeed.</p> Here's an article on transhum…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-05-26:5301756:Comment:564472014-05-26T17:02:42.725ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zoltan-istvan/the-biggest-worry-about-t_b_5362161.html?utm_hp_ref=technology&ir=Technology" target="_blank">Here</a>'s an article on transhumanism that thinks the biggest worry is that only the rich will have access to the wonders of tech, leaving the rest of us to be only human. The article argues that this will not be the case, as it has not been in the past with other tech developments like medicine, electricity and the internet. This is because…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zoltan-istvan/the-biggest-worry-about-t_b_5362161.html?utm_hp_ref=technology&ir=Technology" target="_blank">Here</a>'s an article on transhumanism that thinks the biggest worry is that only the rich will have access to the wonders of tech, leaving the rest of us to be only human. The article argues that this will not be the case, as it has not been in the past with other tech developments like medicine, electricity and the internet. This is because we are evolving from monopolistic tycoons to a more commons oriented society. And in that way he is consistent with Rifkin's latest work.</p>
<p>That is one of the main fear's motivating the government, that capitalism's obsession with individualism is being threatened with the AI producing people linked with not only the tech but with each other and operating as a commons. A commons by the way that is concerned with renewable energy, increasing world food supply and creating medical breakthroughs in treating disease and regenerating tissue. I.e., providing equal opportunity for all to thrive. How terrible!</p>
<p>The other fear though not in the article is that by being connected not only with each other but with tech (including AI) we somehow lose our humanity, our natural humanness, we become like machines: unfeeling, instrumentally logical, inhuman. But all the evidence in the movie, as well as Rifkin's voluminous study of real-world, current applications, point in exactly the other direction: we are becoming more human, more caring, more sharing, and more than the kind of human we used to be. It's an unjustified fear of the kind of progress we need to be <em>more</em> human. We are only being <em>trans</em>human to a regressive humanity based in fear, scarcity and dysfunctional individualism.</p> Also see this post in another…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-05-24:5301756:Comment:565162014-05-24T02:51:54.755ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Also see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/the-zero-marginal-cost-society-by-jeremy-rifkin?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A56440http://" target="_self">this</a> post in another thread on the movie.</p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/the-zero-marginal-cost-society-by-jeremy-rifkin?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A56440http://" target="_self">this</a> post in another thread on the movie.</p> Saw the film last night. Very…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-04-23:5301756:Comment:557852014-04-23T17:45:27.405ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>Saw the film last night. Very much a B-movie with some serious plot holes, weak character logic, unimpressive dialogue, lack of nuance, etc. Yet with some likeable actors and provocative themes.</p>
<p>Of especial interest is the climactic reversal in which people suffer the tragic sensation of not having permitted the Singularity. The advanced intelligence turns out to have been authentic and benevolent -- thereby legitimizing the research and mentality leading to its creation and placing…</p>
<p>Saw the film last night. Very much a B-movie with some serious plot holes, weak character logic, unimpressive dialogue, lack of nuance, etc. Yet with some likeable actors and provocative themes.</p>
<p>Of especial interest is the climactic reversal in which people suffer the tragic sensation of not having permitted the Singularity. The advanced intelligence turns out to have been authentic and benevolent -- thereby legitimizing the research and mentality leading to its creation and placing the moral burden back upon the rebellious, murderous idealists. </p>
<p>The advancement of electronic consciousness to the point of its merger with bio-materiality is worth exploring. As well the ambiguous shift of a transcendental consciousness from the more difficult and opposed project of world-improvement to the more nuanced but narrower project of interpersonal veneration and fidelity.</p>
<p>When I get a moment I will address these themes a little more in the "How Post- Aggravates Pre-" thread... since it is apparent that regressives in the film's universe are reactively, even self-destructively, empowered and exacerbated by the presence of a genuine higher intelligence.</p> Also see this post from the R…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-04-21:5301756:Comment:555862014-04-21T18:22:35.179ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Also see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/jeremy-rifkin?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A55769" target="_self">this post</a> from the Rifkin thread.</p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/jeremy-rifkin?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A55769" target="_self">this post</a> from the Rifkin thread.</p> i loved his speech about how…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-04-21:5301756:Comment:557662014-04-21T07:00:26.943Zandrewhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/andrew
<p>i loved his speech about how intelligent one of those machines was compared to humanity; that the whole human race combined couldn't match the intelligence of one of them. Dang, i had meant to post the exact same thing about one angel on the Noah thread compared to humanity. Not that it would matter much. </p>
<p>In these there neck of the woods them dang pesky angels are thought no different than santa's and pixies! lol God , i'm a pain in the ass!</p>
<p>i loved his speech about how intelligent one of those machines was compared to humanity; that the whole human race combined couldn't match the intelligence of one of them. Dang, i had meant to post the exact same thing about one angel on the Noah thread compared to humanity. Not that it would matter much. </p>
<p>In these there neck of the woods them dang pesky angels are thought no different than santa's and pixies! lol God , i'm a pain in the ass!</p>