The Hermetic Deleuze - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-28T12:46:47Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/the-hermetic-deleuze?feed=yes&xn_auth=noNice!tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-11-03:5301756:Comment:529012013-11-03T06:42:14.608ZDialhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/Dial
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</p> On the OOO thread, Matthew pr…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-06-06:5301756:Comment:484232013-06-06T14:28:39.599ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>On the OOO thread, Matthew provided a link to <a href="http://itself.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/whats-at-stake-in-hermetic-reterritorialization/" target="_blank">a review of this book</a> by Jacob Sherman. I'm only about 20 pages in to the book right now, so I'll hold off on posting my own thoughts on it till I've read a bit more.</p>
<p>On the OOO thread, Matthew provided a link to <a href="http://itself.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/whats-at-stake-in-hermetic-reterritorialization/" target="_blank">a review of this book</a> by Jacob Sherman. I'm only about 20 pages in to the book right now, so I'll hold off on posting my own thoughts on it till I've read a bit more.</p> Free google preview of The Op…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-15:5301756:Comment:456052013-02-15T01:13:07.621ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Free google preview of <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=AYX--dfuw1EC&printsec=frontcover&dq=opening++of+vision&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M4sdUaKeNO-30QHag4HQDg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=opening%20%20of%20vision&f=false" target="_blank">The Opening of Vision</a></em>. </p>
<p>Free google preview of <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=AYX--dfuw1EC&printsec=frontcover&dq=opening++of+vision&hl=en&sa=X&ei=M4sdUaKeNO-30QHag4HQDg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=opening%20%20of%20vision&f=false" target="_blank">The Opening of Vision</a></em>. </p> I'm much more inclined toward…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-15:5301756:Comment:451972013-02-15T00:52:50.196ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I'm much more inclined towards <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux" target="_self">Levin's postmeta reconnectio</a>n with our bodily heritage via image and ritual.* His stage 3 goes beyond ego to Self through "the practice of self discipline," highly reminiscent of the recent discussion about…</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I'm much more inclined towards <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux" target="_self">Levin's postmeta reconnectio</a>n with our bodily heritage via image and ritual.* His stage 3 goes beyond ego to Self through "the practice of self discipline," highly reminiscent of the recent discussion about <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/an-integral-postmetaphysical?page=9&commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A45292&x=1#5301756Comment45292" target="_self">Damasio and meditation</a>. This is further developed by stage 4, letting go, "a distinctively spiritual accomplishment" again <em>hearkening</em> back to the meditation (and <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/washburn-on-the-psychodynamics-of-meditation" target="_self">Washburn</a>) discussion where we go back to more fully integrate what came before, while moving into something that never was.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">* see <a href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3ket5n91z-5NjBlYmE3MmUtMGE3Yi00NWY3LThiNmMtOTVkNDQ4YjI0Y2Fl/edit?hl=en&pli=1" target="_blank">p. 5</a> of the prior Gaia discussion, referencing pp. 47-8 of <em>The Opening of Vision</em>.</p> For example, in Ramey's brief…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-15:5301756:Comment:455082013-02-15T00:16:37.636ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>For example, in Ramey's brief essay "<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/29739912/Delpech-Ramey-debate" target="_blank">Spiritual capital</a>" (referenced above) he criticized Zizek for denouncing ritual, since it is tied to the supernatural. I agree we need the ritual performance (aka theurgy and my fricken' screen name, fer chrissake), but why does the mythic and supernatural baggage have to be attached?</p>
<p>For example, in Ramey's brief essay "<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/29739912/Delpech-Ramey-debate" target="_blank">Spiritual capital</a>" (referenced above) he criticized Zizek for denouncing ritual, since it is tied to the supernatural. I agree we need the ritual performance (aka theurgy and my fricken' screen name, fer chrissake), but why does the mythic and supernatural baggage have to be attached?</p> A few points on the review Ba…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-15:5301756:Comment:456042013-02-15T00:02:48.554ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>A few points on the review Balder linked. I agree that we must re-institute some form of transformative practice, but within a postmeta frame. For without that practice we do not re-connect with our unconscious, that archaic wellspring of our bodily heritage. Yet we must not therefore accept the mythic or mythic-rational frames within which such hermetic practices flourished. If we do we get the problems I mentioned above. We even have that problem within Buddhism, as I've criticized at…</p>
<p>A few points on the review Balder linked. I agree that we must re-institute some form of transformative practice, but within a postmeta frame. For without that practice we do not re-connect with our unconscious, that archaic wellspring of our bodily heritage. Yet we must not therefore accept the mythic or mythic-rational frames within which such hermetic practices flourished. If we do we get the problems I mentioned above. We even have that problem within Buddhism, as I've criticized at length in various threads. As AP Smith noted, Deleuze himself was not in the least meta-physical or supernatural, his entire oeuvre being about immanence. Why, he asks, tie "spiritual and transformative practice...to something so spooky?"</p> From my blog post of 8/27/12…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-14:5301756:Comment:455072013-02-14T20:44:09.868ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>From <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysicalnonduality.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-hermetic-deleuze.html" target="_blank">my blog post of 8/27/12</a> on this:</p>
<p>There is also some discussion of the book in <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/spheres?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A42894&xg_source=activity">this post</a> referencing the…</p>
<p>From <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysicalnonduality.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-hermetic-deleuze.html" target="_blank">my blog post of 8/27/12</a> on this:</p>
<p>There is also some discussion of the book in <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/spheres?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A42894&xg_source=activity">this post</a> referencing the <a href="http://footnotes2plato.com/2012/08/18/the-hermetic-deleuze-philosophy-and-spiritual-ordeal-2012-by-joshua-ramey/">Footnotes 2 Plato review</a>. My initial response:</p>
<p>I admit to being highly skeptical of a hermetic interpretation of anything, let alone Deleuze. This is largely due to my initiation into, and intense participation in, a contemporary hermetic tradition some years ago. I've discussed this elsewhere and found so much metaphysical baggage in this line that I could no longer tolerate it, being in my mind retro-romantic and quite regressive. Now I hear the buzzwords "re-imagined" and "re-invented" regarding hermetics, and thought this could be the case when I re-entered that tradition in the last few years, only to discover in a school purportedly intent on doing exactly that that the egregore, so to speak, is so rife with the baggage that I found the effort not worth the time.</p>
<p>However I more and more find that with Stengers and others there is <em>sorcery</em> afoot, in capitalism and elsewhere. I like Bryant's notion of thought-forms as objects in themselves, and in which we take part and are in large part are controlled by <em>them</em>, as in ideology. A more modern term for this is <em>meme</em>, and they are much larger than any one of us, or even any combination. I prefer it because it takes out the timeless and unchanging form aspect of it, as memes, like Bryant's objects, are contingent, historical and material. Still, they are quite powerful, like hyperobjects, and very much like angels and demons, very much like egregores, and need to be changed to effect humane political enactment.</p>
<p>So if we can re-work the hermetic into something like this I'm all for it. But I'm not sure we can do so by accepting the perennial tradition's interpretations and practices, for they are hand-in-hand of a metaphysics of the most ontotheological kind and will only serve to contaminate, and ultimately defeat, a postmetaphysical project.</p> A friend just gave me a heads…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-14:5301756:Comment:456012013-02-14T20:23:31.577ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>A friend just gave me a heads up about the <a href="http://itself.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/whats-at-stake-in-hermetic-reterritorialization/" target="_blank">following review</a> of <em>The Hermetic Deleuze</em> (which I have yet to read, but which is on my short list of books to check out).</p>
<p>A friend just gave me a heads up about the <a href="http://itself.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/whats-at-stake-in-hermetic-reterritorialization/" target="_blank">following review</a> of <em>The Hermetic Deleuze</em> (which I have yet to read, but which is on my short list of books to check out).</p> One of his articles, "Superna…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-08-27:5301756:Comment:430652012-08-27T16:28:06.045ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>One of his articles, "<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/29739912/Delpech-Ramey-debate" target="_blank">Supernatural Capital</a>." Another: "<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/37238436/39-1-delpech-ramey" target="_blank">Deleuze, Guattari and 'The Politics of Sorcery</a>."</p>
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<p>One of his articles, "<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/29739912/Delpech-Ramey-debate" target="_blank">Supernatural Capital</a>." Another: "<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/37238436/39-1-delpech-ramey" target="_blank">Deleuze, Guattari and 'The Politics of Sorcery</a>."</p>
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