The Fourth Turning - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T07:47:32Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/the-fourth-turning?id=5301756%3ATopic%3A53670&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSpeaking of which, in Kennili…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-28:5301756:Comment:573762014-07-28T22:56:20.286ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Speaking of which, in Kennilingam's 2-minute introductory video at the site his tone is much less grandiose than when this thread first started. He mentioned that the fourth turning in nowhere near a final or complete elucidation. And that the purpose of the conference is to work out some possibilities toward such a turning in a community, since as he said "the next Buddha is a sangha." Good for him. His sangha though still needs to address the metaphysics of presence, which really is very…</p>
<p>Speaking of which, in Kennilingam's 2-minute introductory video at the site his tone is much less grandiose than when this thread first started. He mentioned that the fourth turning in nowhere near a final or complete elucidation. And that the purpose of the conference is to work out some possibilities toward such a turning in a community, since as he said "the next Buddha is a sangha." Good for him. His sangha though still needs to address the metaphysics of presence, which really is very old school.</p> I referenced examples of a di…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-28:5301756:Comment:576142014-07-28T22:35:39.023ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>I referenced examples of a different fourth turning in previous posts of this thread, like secular Buddhism and Bauwens' <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Next_Buddha_Will_Be_A_Collective" target="_blank">article</a> "The next Buddha is a collective." Here's another example from Bauwens in <a href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/michel-bauwens/if-we-can-have-p2p-economics-why-not-p2p-spirituality" target="_blank">an article</a> that came out today, "If we can have p2p…</p>
<p>I referenced examples of a different fourth turning in previous posts of this thread, like secular Buddhism and Bauwens' <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Next_Buddha_Will_Be_A_Collective" target="_blank">article</a> "The next Buddha is a collective." Here's another example from Bauwens in <a href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/michel-bauwens/if-we-can-have-p2p-economics-why-not-p2p-spirituality" target="_blank">an article</a> that came out today, "If we can have p2p economics, why not p2p spirituality?" I like that it's in the journal <em>Transformation</em>, whose tagline is "where love meets social justice," highlighting my favored notion of spirituality as liberating social action.</p> Also see this post and follow…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-28:5301756:Comment:573752014-07-28T21:58:09.248ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Also see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/evan-thompson?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A57608" target="_self">this</a> post and following discussion in the Thompson thread on how the latter is using neuroscience to support a version of Buddhism different than the Lingam's in <a href="http://vimeo.com/83948023" target="_blank">this</a> video.</p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/evan-thompson?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A57608" target="_self">this</a> post and following discussion in the Thompson thread on how the latter is using neuroscience to support a version of Buddhism different than the Lingam's in <a href="http://vimeo.com/83948023" target="_blank">this</a> video.</p> Thank you for the link, Ambo;…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-28:5301756:Comment:576092014-07-28T15:58:13.751ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Thank you for the link, Ambo; I had missed that. I will give it a listen later this week and will report back.</p>
<p>Thank you for the link, Ambo; I had missed that. I will give it a listen later this week and will report back.</p> Hi Bruce, I see what you mean…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-28:5301756:Comment:573582014-07-28T01:20:18.194ZAmbo Sunohttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/AmboSuno
<p>Hi Bruce, I see what you mean about that.</p>
<p>The link pasted below opens a 53 minute video that was his opening address to a 2014 Fourth Turning conference. For my very modest level of Buddhist scholarship, I found it quite interesting. He presented a tour pointing to certain historical moments that could be considered fulcrum points, from Gautama Buddha, Nagarjuna, the yogacharya, and tantra. He mentions Dzogchen at this more recent historical turning. Ken speculates how "integral"…</p>
<p>Hi Bruce, I see what you mean about that.</p>
<p>The link pasted below opens a 53 minute video that was his opening address to a 2014 Fourth Turning conference. For my very modest level of Buddhist scholarship, I found it quite interesting. He presented a tour pointing to certain historical moments that could be considered fulcrum points, from Gautama Buddha, Nagarjuna, the yogacharya, and tantra. He mentions Dzogchen at this more recent historical turning. Ken speculates how "integral" might be considered as a current fucrum under the evolutionary path of understanding of kosmic nature. I hope I have that fairly accurate from memory.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, one probably needs a premium membership to listen.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.integrallife.com/future-buddhism/fourth-turning-buddhism-opening-address" target="_blank">https://www.integrallife.com/future-buddhism/fourth-turning-buddhism-opening-address</a></p> A faith matrix (religiousness…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-27:5301756:Comment:576022014-07-27T18:26:06.235ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>A faith matrix (religiousness) is always emerging from the convergence of social genres. It is a generic cultural growth which, by its very nature, must splice and fold together different styles of information in order to attempt to make new blends. However this has to be done today with great finesse in order to prevent a minimization of the functional embrace of each genre independently.</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>andrew said:…</cite></p>
<p>A faith matrix (religiousness) is always emerging from the convergence of social genres. It is a generic cultural growth which, by its very nature, must splice and fold together different styles of information in order to attempt to make new blends. However this has to be done today with great finesse in order to prevent a minimization of the functional embrace of each genre independently.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>andrew said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/the-fourth-turning?page=2&commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A57353&x=1#5301756Comment57517"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The question I have is this: why does Kenny continually frame his spiritual ideas within the scientific paradigm when they so obviously belong in some type of faith matrix? This is really annoying…….</p>
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<p>Maybe Teal Swan can explain it to me some day in the most assured way she has when dealing with spiritual matters:) </p>
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<p>Damn amnesia!</p>
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</blockquote> God's gonna get me for this: …tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-27:5301756:Comment:573532014-07-27T03:51:41.892Zandrewhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/andrew
<p>God's gonna get me for this: </p>
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2505390395?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2505390395?profile=original" width="246" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>God's gonna get me for this: </p>
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2505390395?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2505390395?profile=original" width="246" class="align-full"/></a></p> The question I have is this:…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-26:5301756:Comment:575172014-07-26T23:22:52.116Zandrewhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/andrew
<p>The question I have is this: why does Kenny continually frame his spiritual ideas within the scientific paradigm when they so obviously belong in some type of faith matrix? This is really annoying…….</p>
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<p>Maybe Teal Swan can explain it to me some day in the most assured way she has when dealing with spiritual matters:) </p>
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<p>Damn amnesia!</p>
<p>The question I have is this: why does Kenny continually frame his spiritual ideas within the scientific paradigm when they so obviously belong in some type of faith matrix? This is really annoying…….</p>
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<p>Maybe Teal Swan can explain it to me some day in the most assured way she has when dealing with spiritual matters:) </p>
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<p>Damn amnesia!</p> A new Integral World article…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-26:5301756:Comment:572962014-07-26T20:35:18.799ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>A <a href="http://www.integralworld.net/benjamin68.html" target="_blank">new Integral World article</a> on this.</p>
<p>A <a href="http://www.integralworld.net/benjamin68.html" target="_blank">new Integral World article</a> on this.</p> I visited there about 8 or 10…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-04-03:5301756:Comment:551652014-04-03T23:26:58.681ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>I visited there about 8 or 10 years ago. Yep, a very nice spread -- and view! I didn't know it had been sold....</p>
<p>I visited there about 8 or 10 years ago. Yep, a very nice spread -- and view! I didn't know it had been sold....</p>