The Evolution of Consciousness as a Planetary Imperative - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T05:31:15Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/the-evolution-of-consciousness-as-a-planetary-imperative?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A59660&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGood term. Deficiency is lik…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-01-05:5301756:Comment:595722015-01-05T19:14:51.252ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>Good term. Deficiency is like any basic health problem -- one lacks the vitality to extract the nutrients, assimilate and combine them according to your whole pattern. MOA-1 is perfectly fine with bringing the alternatives next to each other. (Although the vapid, 'anything goes' space in which they all cluster is probably nihilistic). At MOA-2 this same tendency is a sign of pathology. There is not integralism without integration. Merely hoarding and validating perspectives is not…</p>
<p>Good term. Deficiency is like any basic health problem -- one lacks the vitality to extract the nutrients, assimilate and combine them according to your whole pattern. MOA-1 is perfectly fine with bringing the alternatives next to each other. (Although the vapid, 'anything goes' space in which they all cluster is probably nihilistic). At MOA-2 this same tendency is a sign of pathology. There is not integralism without integration. Merely hoarding and validating perspectives is not integral.</p> Deficient manifestations of i…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-01-05:5301756:Comment:596602015-01-05T17:52:32.240ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Deficient manifestations of integral consciousness:</p>
<p>"Gebser (1949/1985) did note in one of his charts that integral consciousness, still in its early stages, may manifest in a deficient form as [...] the over extension and exhaustion of the mental structure rather than with the integral structure itself.</p>
<p>'Increasingly deficient attitudes seek refuge in syncretisms . . . or encyclopedic compendia. . . Presentiate wisdom becomes accumulated knowledge; when summarized and…</p>
<p>Deficient manifestations of integral consciousness:</p>
<p>"Gebser (1949/1985) did note in one of his charts that integral consciousness, still in its early stages, may manifest in a deficient form as [...] the over extension and exhaustion of the mental structure rather than with the integral structure itself.</p>
<p>'Increasingly deficient attitudes seek refuge in syncretisms . . . or encyclopedic compendia. . . Presentiate wisdom becomes accumulated knowledge; when summarized and compiled, it yields a new sum, but no new wisdom. Wisdom is reduced from a quality of being to a quantity of possession (Gebser, p. 44)'" (Gidley 199).</p>
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<p></p> You're gonna havta read it. T…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-25:5301756:Comment:595352014-12-25T02:50:09.736ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>You're gonna havta read it. The subtitle is, after all, an <em>integration</em> of integral views. You can decide if she achieves that.</p>
<p>You're gonna havta read it. The subtitle is, after all, an <em>integration</em> of integral views. You can decide if she achieves that.</p> I've never laid hands upon th…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-25:5301756:Comment:596062014-12-25T01:50:21.188ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>I've never laid hands upon this book but it certainly sounds like it is fumbling around the proper zone. As usual my concern is that academic analysis tends toward a righteous protection of diverse views and tends to exaggerate variance from presumed conventional interpretations where it could just as easily, and more productively, be attempting to elucidate the way in which they confirm each other. Probably this book does a bit of both.</p>
<p>Looking at the first quote given…</p>
<p>I've never laid hands upon this book but it certainly sounds like it is fumbling around the proper zone. As usual my concern is that academic analysis tends toward a righteous protection of diverse views and tends to exaggerate variance from presumed conventional interpretations where it could just as easily, and more productively, be attempting to elucidate the way in which they confirm each other. Probably this book does a bit of both.</p>
<p>Looking at the first quote given above:</p>
<blockquote><p>"For Gebser, integral-aperspectival consciousness is not experienced through expanded<br/>consciousness, more systematic conceptualizations, or greater quantities of perspectives. In his view, such approaches largely represent over-extended, rational characteristics. Rather, it involves an actual re-experiencing, re-embodying, and conscious re-integration of the living vitality of magic-interweaving, the imagination at the heart of mythic-feeling and the purposefulness of mental conceptual thinking, their presence raised to a higher resonance, in order for the integral transparency to shine through" (111).</p>
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<p>My Muse suggests that this is barely a distinction. "Expanded consciousness, more systematic conceptualizations, greater quantities of perspectives" strike me as so slight a difference in emphasis from "re-experiencing, re-embodying and conscious reintegration" that they are virtually synonymous. </p>
<p>We thinkers are pleased to explore divergences but the world does not begin to dance until it hears a consistent and repeating drumbeat: <em>They all think THIS! They all think THIS! They all think THIS!</em></p>
<p>Again, not having read it, I cannot speak to how the author handles these issues. But I would love a summary of how (after having explored her perception of the variations) she integrates these integral views into a more or less coherent and self-consistent architecture which validates and moves them all forward as a single armada whose battle is occurring in the actual world.</p>
<p></p> Hi, t. I echo DavidM's applau…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-24:5301756:Comment:594652014-12-24T01:47:22.100ZAmbo Sunohttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/AmboSuno
Hi, t. I echo DavidM's applause of your mightily cogent and integrative riff.<br />
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My ongoing challenge to both become semi-adequate in Wilber's conceptualizing and yet to not be overly colonized by it is helped by this one paper. I am still pretty early on into i, yet already the way she lays the groundwork and sketches the territory, with sufficient respect and with a critical, disciplined and scholarly eye is impressive. It may be a very good fit for where I am with all this, a relative newbie…
Hi, t. I echo DavidM's applause of your mightily cogent and integrative riff.<br />
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My ongoing challenge to both become semi-adequate in Wilber's conceptualizing and yet to not be overly colonized by it is helped by this one paper. I am still pretty early on into i, yet already the way she lays the groundwork and sketches the territory, with sufficient respect and with a critical, disciplined and scholarly eye is impressive. It may be a very good fit for where I am with all this, a relative newbie and not the quickest beetle under the log.<br />
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Following your links related to understanding time gets me a bit further along - I want to go back to the triple loop and at least embody more of what that means in how I view and might view life and kosmos. Perhaps I'll notice more of the co-creative aspects that are already latent but not sort of owned.<br />
All this is very evocative for the gapeseed in me :)<br />
Thanks, t - I'm in a moment of appreciation for IPS and yourself. ambo Btw, here's Balder's blog pos…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-20:5301756:Comment:595262014-12-20T17:00:05.317ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Btw, <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/three-nows-the-future-infinitive-and-triple-loop-awareness" target="_self">here</a>'s Balder's blog post on time, TSK and Torbert.</p>
<p>Btw, <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/three-nows-the-future-infinitive-and-triple-loop-awareness" target="_self">here</a>'s Balder's blog post on time, TSK and Torbert.</p> "Gebser’s nuanced concretion…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-20:5301756:Comment:592992014-12-20T16:46:28.885ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>"Gebser’s nuanced concretion of time does not represent a linear developmental endpoint like that of the modernity project, nor is it endlessly recursive in non-directional cyclical space as in Eliade’s 'myth of the eternal return' (Eliade, 1954/1989). Integral consciousness as understood by Gebser does not place mythic and modern constructions of time in opposition to each other, as both modern and traditional approaches tend to do. Alternatively, Gebser’s <em>temporic concretion</em> is an…</p>
<p>"Gebser’s nuanced concretion of time does not represent a linear developmental endpoint like that of the modernity project, nor is it endlessly recursive in non-directional cyclical space as in Eliade’s 'myth of the eternal return' (Eliade, 1954/1989). Integral consciousness as understood by Gebser does not place mythic and modern constructions of time in opposition to each other, as both modern and traditional approaches tend to do. Alternatively, Gebser’s <em>temporic concretion</em> is an intensification of consciousness that enables re-integration of previous structures of consciousness—with their different time senses—honoring them all. It opens to new understanding through atemporal translucence whereby <em>all</em> times are present to the intensified consciousness <em>in the same fully conscious moment</em>" (176).</p>
<p>"Gebser sees integral time concretion as the point where consciousness <strong>folds back on itself</strong> and integrates the whole" (179) (my emphasis, see <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/states-stages-the-wc-lattice-and-the-fold" target="_self">this</a> thread).</p>
<p>"Wilber tends to swing between a primarily linear developmental model—albeit one that<br/> includes higher stages beyond the formal, mental mode—and the spiritual Timelessness of the<br/> non-dual. Sometimes, he brings both voices through in the same piece of writing, as indicated<br/> above. However, it is unclear whether Wilber sees Timelessness as being synchronous with<br/> Gebser’s origin. It appears likely that for Wilber this is an endpoint to be strived for rather than<br/> something that can be experienced as a concretion of all the temporicities" (180).</p> IA = Gebser's integral-apersp…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-20:5301756:Comment:594552014-12-20T06:23:28.910ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>IA = Gebser's integral-aperspectival. IL = Integral Life, where Balder used to have a blog. TSK = <em>Time, Space, Knowledge</em> by Tarthang Tulku. Balder is a student thereof and can say more about it.</p>
<p>IA = Gebser's integral-aperspectival. IL = Integral Life, where Balder used to have a blog. TSK = <em>Time, Space, Knowledge</em> by Tarthang Tulku. Balder is a student thereof and can say more about it.</p> TheUrg,
Thanks much for this…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-20:5301756:Comment:595222014-12-20T04:48:16.636ZDavidM58http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/DavidM58
<p>TheUrg,</p>
<p>Thanks much for this post! Lots of helpful, informative, and very insightful points here from yourself, Gidley, and of course Gebser himself, all nicely summarized in your opening Gidley quote. I now look forward to reading Gidley's thesis itself, and am curious about the "planetary imperative" part, which sounds similar to Peter Pogany's work. </p>
<p>Pogany wrote about Gebser's integral arational consciousness as a possible future scenario that just might save the world from…</p>
<p>TheUrg,</p>
<p>Thanks much for this post! Lots of helpful, informative, and very insightful points here from yourself, Gidley, and of course Gebser himself, all nicely summarized in your opening Gidley quote. I now look forward to reading Gidley's thesis itself, and am curious about the "planetary imperative" part, which sounds similar to Peter Pogany's work. </p>
<p>Pogany wrote about Gebser's integral arational consciousness as a possible future scenario that just might save the world from environmental destruction, a society-wide socioeconomic consciousness for the global system that might emerge after a chaotic transition. As outlined in numerous papers, including <a href="http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/27221/" target="_blank">What's Wrong With the World? Rationality! A Critique of Economic Anthropology in the Spirit of Jean Gebser</a>. </p>
<p>As usual, I have some trouble with the acronyms. I get IA means integral arationality. Does Balder's IL blog post refer to Integral Life? What is TSK?</p>