Praise of Perversion - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T15:53:19Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/praise-of-perversion?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A22228&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJoel's problem though was tha…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-21:5301756:Comment:230252011-07-21T01:16:54.467ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
<p><em>Joel's problem though was that he was a goody two-shoes. Catholic girls only put out easily for the bad boys like the Fonz because it was sooo forbidden, sooo naughty, sooo exciting and oh so perverse.</em></p>
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<p>Perhaps so -- at least before the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fonz jumped the shark</a>. Which we knew was too good to be true...</p>
<p>OTOH, sometimes the…</p>
<p><em>Joel's problem though was that he was a goody two-shoes. Catholic girls only put out easily for the bad boys like the Fonz because it was sooo forbidden, sooo naughty, sooo exciting and oh so perverse.</em></p>
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<p>Perhaps so -- at least before the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4" target="_blank">Fonz jumped the shark</a>. Which we knew was too good to be true...</p>
<p>OTOH, sometimes the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF866xp-tag&feature=related" target="_blank">girls want to be with the girls</a>.</p>
<p>You all keep inspiring my inner polymorphous DJ. :)</p>
<p> </p> Joel's problem though was tha…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-20:5301756:Comment:231152011-07-20T23:33:01.588ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
Joel's problem though was that he was a goody two-shoes. Catholic girls only put out easily for the bad boys like the Fonz because it was sooo forbidden, sooo naughty, sooo exciting and oh so <em>perverse</em>.<br/>
Joel's problem though was that he was a goody two-shoes. Catholic girls only put out easily for the bad boys like the Fonz because it was sooo forbidden, sooo naughty, sooo exciting and oh so <em>perverse</em>.<br/>
Re: Catholic girls: the, um…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-20:5301756:Comment:233052011-07-20T21:33:47.074ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
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<p>Re: Catholic girls: the, um, great and profound Billy Joel <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgmWwMheXkk" target="_blank">believes otherwise</a>. ;-)</p>
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<p>Re: Catholic girls: the, um, great and profound Billy Joel <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgmWwMheXkk" target="_blank">believes otherwise</a>. ;-)</p> There's nothing quite like br…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-19:5301756:Comment:232102011-07-19T19:01:04.446Zkelamunihttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/kelamuni
There's nothing quite like breaking a few prohibitions to make it fun.<br></br>
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<blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/praise-of-perversion?xg_source=activity&id=5301756%3ATopic%3A22223&page=2#5301756Comment23301"><div><p>As we and Frank Zappa knew only too well, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIVLB4Ss2g" target="_blank">catholic girls</a> were the easiest and best lays in high school.*</p>
<p>There's nothing like a…</p>
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There's nothing quite like breaking a few prohibitions to make it fun.<br/>
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<cite>theurj said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/praise-of-perversion?xg_source=activity&id=5301756%3ATopic%3A22223&page=2#5301756Comment23301"><div><p>As we and Frank Zappa knew only too well, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIVLB4Ss2g" target="_blank">catholic girls</a> were the easiest and best lays in high school.*</p>
<p>There's nothing like a Catholic Girl<br/> At the CYO when they learn to blow...</p>
<p>* Ok, and Jewish girls.</p>
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</blockquote> Grof is a good reference here…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-19:5301756:Comment:232092011-07-19T17:59:35.974ZChristophehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/Christophe
<p>Grof is a good reference here.</p>
<p>Somehow Perversion seems to represent the "darkest night before the end of the tunnel".</p>
<p>The feeling of pre-orgasmic suspense and arousal makes it pretty artsy, methinks.</p>
<p>There's nothing more avant-garde than decadence and decay, eh?</p>
<p>hahahaha</p>
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<p>I was reading more Lacan last weekend and he gives a nice phenomenal description of the orgasm:</p>
<p>At the onset, the Ego disappears and the drive do what it do; the whole…</p>
<p>Grof is a good reference here.</p>
<p>Somehow Perversion seems to represent the "darkest night before the end of the tunnel".</p>
<p>The feeling of pre-orgasmic suspense and arousal makes it pretty artsy, methinks.</p>
<p>There's nothing more avant-garde than decadence and decay, eh?</p>
<p>hahahaha</p>
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<p>I was reading more Lacan last weekend and he gives a nice phenomenal description of the orgasm:</p>
<p>At the onset, the Ego disappears and the drive do what it do; the whole energy is concentrating towards a singular point, usually the second chakra, like tempest clouds towering up before the lightning strikes... Then, at the climax, the Ego returns, surfing at the crest of the wave, screaming "YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaawwww...."</p>
<p>Next: fatigue, weariness, maybe a little sweet sadness and melancholy. Time for a cigarette...</p>
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<p>ha ha</p> As we and Frank Zappa knew on…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-19:5301756:Comment:233012011-07-19T12:36:22.451ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>As we and Frank Zappa knew only too well, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIVLB4Ss2g" target="_blank">catholic girls</a> were the easiest and best lays in high school.*</p>
<p>There's nothing like a Catholic Girl<br/> At the CYO when they learn to blow...</p>
<p>* Ok, and Jewish girls.</p>
<p>As we and Frank Zappa knew only too well, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afIVLB4Ss2g" target="_blank">catholic girls</a> were the easiest and best lays in high school.*</p>
<p>There's nothing like a Catholic Girl<br/> At the CYO when they learn to blow...</p>
<p>* Ok, and Jewish girls.</p> We should consult Grof, as we…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-19:5301756:Comment:232052011-07-19T03:33:04.006ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
We should consult Grof, as well. Seems he might trace "preversion" and sado-masochistic tendencies back to unresolved material from the 3rd perinatal matrix (where life-and-death themes are central).
We should consult Grof, as well. Seems he might trace "preversion" and sado-masochistic tendencies back to unresolved material from the 3rd perinatal matrix (where life-and-death themes are central). What about girls who had fath…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-19:5301756:Comment:230172011-07-19T03:24:14.252Zkelamunihttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/kelamuni
What about girls who had fathers who were preachers. I knew a few of them...:-)
What about girls who had fathers who were preachers. I knew a few of them...:-) btw you seem to be in…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-18:5301756:Comment:229182011-07-18T18:34:44.837ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
<p> <em>btw you seem to be intrigued by the topic also, hahaha</em></p>
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<p>Well, intrigued is probably too strong a word. Next to you and Edward I'm polymorphous vanilla. ;)</p>
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<p> <em>We know from decades of clinical data that it almost always causes problems when there is a priest or a spiritual realizer in the family. Part of the problem is that the Law of the Father has the backup of the mythic God, and is thus unchanging and eternal. A son of a priesterman…</em></p>
<p> <em>btw you seem to be intrigued by the topic also, hahaha</em></p>
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<p>Well, intrigued is probably too strong a word. Next to you and Edward I'm polymorphous vanilla. ;)</p>
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<p> <em>We know from decades of clinical data that it almost always causes problems when there is a priest or a spiritual realizer in the family. Part of the problem is that the Law of the Father has the backup of the mythic God, and is thus unchanging and eternal. A son of a priesterman has bascially two options: to become a priest like his dad, following the old laws, being devout to his father's superiority (thus staying a son all his life, betraying his own unique gift to the world). Or he starts to rebel and becomes a pervert, mabye converts to a different religion with even more rigor, or becomes an atheist, sets his own standards, makes his own mistakes etc.</em></p>
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<p>But isn't this frequently the case anyway -- whether or not an explicitly "spiritual" realization is involved? Some kind of adolescent rebellion against authorities and/or parents is expected, considered a regular part of development and maturation, right? I don't have kids, but among my circle of friends and family, I've seen the kids of vegetarians become carnivores, the son of an anti-war advocate join the ROTC, the daughter of an old-school feminist activist aspiring to become a lingerie model, the children of atheists become born-again Christians....</p>
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<p>The song that now begs to be played: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp4339EbVn8" target="_blank">Son of a Preacher Man</a></p>
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<p> </p> Mary W.: Christophe, are you…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2011-07-17:5301756:Comment:231012011-07-17T08:06:39.348ZChristophehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/Christophe
<p>Mary W.: <em>Christophe, are you trying to organize some kind of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry2n4v9G4_k" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mutiny of preverts??!!</a></em></p>
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<p>Uh Oh. What if it's true? Will I have to answer to the Coca Cola Company? ahahaha</p>
<p>btw you seem to be intrigued by the topic also, hahaha</p>
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<p>No actually this is a thought experiment, part of my Shadow Module and driven by curiosity. I am a bit overwhelmed by the feedback. The…</p>
<p>Mary W.: <em>Christophe, are you trying to organize some kind of <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry2n4v9G4_k" target="_blank">mutiny of preverts??!!</a></em></p>
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<p>Uh Oh. What if it's true? Will I have to answer to the Coca Cola Company? ahahaha</p>
<p>btw you seem to be intrigued by the topic also, hahaha</p>
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<p>No actually this is a thought experiment, part of my Shadow Module and driven by curiosity. I am a bit overwhelmed by the feedback. The further inquiry into the subject and the setting in the intersubjective domain opened up a whole new perspective for me. It's hard to put into words yet, but I'll try, since you ask so politely ;-)</p>
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<p>The question that came up for me was: How is spiritual realization carried on in the generations, or even in the family?</p>
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<p>We know from decades of clinical data that it almost always causes problems when there is a priest or a spiritual realizer in the family. Part of the problem is that the Law of the Father has the backup of the mythic God, and is thus unchanging and eternal. A son of a priesterman has bascially two options: to become a priest like his dad, following the old laws, being devout to his father's superiority (thus staying a son all his life, betraying his own unique gift to the world). Or he starts to rebel and becomes a pervert, mabye converts to a different religion with even more rigor, or becomes an atheist, sets his own standards, makes his own mistakes etc.</p>
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<p>I was thinking of poor Caligula who really had no choice but to rebel against the weight of the God-like Power of the Emperors before him. Or take Marvin Gaye, who managed a middle way between priest and pervert, praising <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w30RGhFCAkk&feature=related" target="_blank">god and sexuality</a> in his music. And so on.</p>