Interspiritual Revolution and the Occupy Generation - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T07:25:19Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/interspiritual-revolution-and-the-occupy-generation?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A47908&feed=yes&xn_auth=noShould have been "casual" --…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-06-02:5301756:Comment:480992013-06-02T05:29:28.790ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>Should have been "casual" -- I had a couple beers with dinner. But basically this refers to the general territory of consensus and majority based on equivalence of input from individuals. Everything from the democratic spirit of "asking around" to the clearly dysfunctional procedures upon which majoritarian pseudo-parliamentary democracies are based. The idea of simple, casual democracy is that of clunky, flat compiling of group intelligence in the rough manner of a mob or a "show of…</p>
<p>Should have been "casual" -- I had a couple beers with dinner. But basically this refers to the general territory of consensus and majority based on equivalence of input from individuals. Everything from the democratic spirit of "asking around" to the clearly dysfunctional procedures upon which majoritarian pseudo-parliamentary democracies are based. The idea of simple, casual democracy is that of clunky, flat compiling of group intelligence in the rough manner of a mob or a "show of hands".</p>
<p>Now a causal democracy... well that might not be so simple! Perhaps the ontological matrix we all appear to inhabit IS a causal democracy. I would need to see the specifications for its decision making protocols!</p> One might need to say that si…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-06-02:5301756:Comment:483112013-06-02T04:57:11.617ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p><em><strong>One might need to say that simplistic causal democracy (although this is only a metaphor for the deepening of intimacy as a spiritual tool) is not so much an advancement but rather among the very things which are holding human beings back.</strong></em></p>
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<p>Hola, LP. Can you tell me what you mean by the phrase, "simplistic causal democracy"?</p>
<p><em><strong>One might need to say that simplistic causal democracy (although this is only a metaphor for the deepening of intimacy as a spiritual tool) is not so much an advancement but rather among the very things which are holding human beings back.</strong></em></p>
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<p>Hola, LP. Can you tell me what you mean by the phrase, "simplistic causal democracy"?</p> Interspirituality is beautifu…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-06-02:5301756:Comment:481942013-06-02T04:46:08.000ZLayman Pascalhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/LaymanPascal
<p>Interspirituality is beautiful word.</p>
<p>And I cannot deny the usefulness of sharing transcendental experiences across traditions. That is surely a necessary piece of the construction of planetary religion. However it may be quite far from the main issue...</p>
<p>One might need to say that simplistic causal democracy (although this is only a metaphor for the deepening of intimacy as a spiritual tool) is not so much an advancement but rather among the very things which are holding human…</p>
<p>Interspirituality is beautiful word.</p>
<p>And I cannot deny the usefulness of sharing transcendental experiences across traditions. That is surely a necessary piece of the construction of planetary religion. However it may be quite far from the main issue...</p>
<p>One might need to say that simplistic causal democracy (although this is only a metaphor for the deepening of intimacy as a spiritual tool) is not so much an advancement but rather among the very things which are holding human beings back.</p>
<p>Secondly that polls of "youth" are a fairly dubious source of information about the actual situation of religiosity in the world. <em>Too concerned with money, rules & power</em> is more like what one can think of to say... just as "too partisan" is what an American can think of to say about the failure of their politicians to be politicians. What I hear in these words is that people are not finding anything which would justify the exploitative aspects. The so-called traditional religious frameworks are, by and large, not doing any religious activity. Therefore people drift away.</p>
<p>The protests and revolutions mentioned are rather minimal, lite & not proving yet to have any significant value for general human betterment. There is a tremendous eagerness to snatch up all signs and assert them as optimistic. How very Christian....</p> Love this, as of course I wou…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-05-09:5301756:Comment:479202013-05-09T05:14:37.116ZMary W.http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/MaryW
<p>Love this, as of course I would. Thanks, Bro. Bruce and Elder Theurj. :-)</p>
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<p>Love this, as of course I would. Thanks, Bro. Bruce and Elder Theurj. :-)</p>
<p></p> My last post reminds me of at…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-05-08:5301756:Comment:480112013-05-08T16:40:15.986ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>My last post reminds me of attaining to, in GD terms, knowledge and conversation with one's Holy Guardian Angel (HGA). This is supposed to occur during initiation into the 5=6 level, Tiphareth, Neophyte Adeptus Minor. It actually occurred for me in the Portal between the outer and inner Order, so hence my initiation into Tiphareth came from my HGA when I left the GD and went <em>integral.</em></p>
<p>I was reminded of this in reading the wiki entry on…</p>
<p>My last post reminds me of attaining to, in GD terms, knowledge and conversation with one's Holy Guardian Angel (HGA). This is supposed to occur during initiation into the 5=6 level, Tiphareth, Neophyte Adeptus Minor. It actually occurred for me in the Portal between the outer and inner Order, so hence my initiation into Tiphareth came from my HGA when I left the GD and went <em>integral.</em></p>
<p>I was reminded of this in reading the wiki entry on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theurgy" target="_blank">theurgy</a>, from which my screen (and Order) name is derived. It describes as one goal henosis, a word Balder turned into a neologism (heno-ontology) in his upcoming paper.</p> I appreciate the third way fr…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-05-08:5301756:Comment:479112013-05-08T09:00:24.090ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>I appreciate the third way from the article:</p>
<p>"In which one's primary path is one's inner guidance, what George Fox, founder of the Quakers, called one's 'inner teacher,' and what Christians have often referred to as the 'guidance of the Holy Spirit.' Its emphasis lies on the <i>relationship</i> aspect of the Ultimate Mystery. This way may not lead to being embedded in a particular wisdom tradition (without eliminating this possibility), but instead to taking on, in a mature and…</p>
<p>I appreciate the third way from the article:</p>
<p>"In which one's primary path is one's inner guidance, what George Fox, founder of the Quakers, called one's 'inner teacher,' and what Christians have often referred to as the 'guidance of the Holy Spirit.' Its emphasis lies on the <i>relationship</i> aspect of the Ultimate Mystery. This way may not lead to being embedded in a particular wisdom tradition (without eliminating this possibility), but instead to taking on, in a mature and disciplined way, differing teachers, practices and service roles throughout one's lifetime, under the guidance of the Spirit.</p>
<p>"Too often this third way has been described as being selfish, flaky, a spiritual 'Esperanto,' or arising out of an inability to commit. In fact of matter, it is all about commitment. It is about fidelity to one's own path, to the inner impulse that arises within us, and the courage to commit to it with all of one's being, allowing ourselves the <i>freedom of movement</i> that it demands. It shifts us from a reliance on gurus, dogmas and institutions to following one's own inner light."</p>
<p>They warn that in this path one can lose their way so it's necessary to seek community for feedback. And that is persactly what IPS offers. This <em>is</em> my church, as it were, and a damned good one at that. I guess I'm if not a priest then at least an elder in the congregation.</p>
<p></p> I posted this here, in part,…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-05-07:5301756:Comment:479082013-05-07T17:43:48.174ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>I posted this here, in part, because I have been involved in some work recently that is quite close to the interspiritual movement. In particular, I've been working with several friends on developing an integral spirituality degree program ... and it looks like it is beginning to bear fruit. I can't give many concrete details yet -- not until we have a few things formalized in writing -- but it looks like we have a university that will give us a platform to offer a full degree program…</p>
<p>I posted this here, in part, because I have been involved in some work recently that is quite close to the interspiritual movement. In particular, I've been working with several friends on developing an integral spirituality degree program ... and it looks like it is beginning to bear fruit. I can't give many concrete details yet -- not until we have a few things formalized in writing -- but it looks like we have a university that will give us a platform to offer a full degree program (starting, most likely, in early 2014).</p>