Horror, Spirituality, and the Integral Suburbs - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-28T19:18:51Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/horror-spirituality-and-the?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A50290&feed=yes&xn_auth=noEugene Thacker has an interes…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-10-07:5301756:Comment:623752015-10-07T15:09:28.495ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Eugene Thacker has an interesting-looking series of books exploring the relationship of philosophy and horror:<br></br><br></br>"The world is increasingly unthinkable, a world of planetary disasters, emerging pandemics, and the looming threat of extinction. In this book Eugene Thacker suggests that we look to the genre of horror as offering a way of thinking about the unthinkable world. To confront this idea is to confront the limit of our ability to understand the world in which we live - a central…</p>
<p>Eugene Thacker has an interesting-looking series of books exploring the relationship of philosophy and horror:<br/><br/>"The world is increasingly unthinkable, a world of planetary disasters, emerging pandemics, and the looming threat of extinction. In this book Eugene Thacker suggests that we look to the genre of horror as offering a way of thinking about the unthinkable world. To confront this idea is to confront the limit of our ability to understand the world in which we live - a central motif of the horror genre. In the Dust of This Planet explores these relationships between philosophy and horror. In Thacker's hands, philosophy is not academic logic-chopping; instead, it is the thought of the limit of all thought, especially as it dovetails into occultism, demonology, and mysticism. Likewise, Thacker takes horror to mean something beyond the focus on gore and scare tactics, but as the under-appreciated genre of supernatural horror in fiction, film, comics, and music."<br/><br/><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Dust-This-Planet-Horror-Philosophy-ebook/dp/B005BRJWCO/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1444229764&sr=1-1&keywords=In+the+Dust+of+This+Planet%3A+Horror+of+Philosophy" target="_blank">In the Dust of this Planet: Horror of Philosophy volume 1</a><br/><br/></p>
<p></p> Amazon recommended this book…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-07-06:5301756:Comment:614662015-07-06T15:39:41.123ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Amazon recommended this book to me today: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LWFKW14/ref=pe_851910_142414820_em_1p_0_ti" target="_blank">The Thing: A Phenomenology of Horror</a>. Looks interesting...</p>
<p>Amazon recommended this book to me today: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LWFKW14/ref=pe_851910_142414820_em_1p_0_ti" target="_blank">The Thing: A Phenomenology of Horror</a>. Looks interesting...</p> tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-06-25:5301756:Comment:616642015-06-25T15:32:18.779ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
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</p> And you too. Looking at the l…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-11-01:5301756:Comment:588532014-11-01T00:53:57.606ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>And you too. Looking at the last post above, before yours, it reminded me of a more recent discussion of r and a terms in <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/states-stages-the-wc-lattice-and-the-fold?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A58204" target="_self">this</a> post and several following. This is <em>very</em> scary stuff for a metaphysical absolutist, akin to the Christ and Buddha blasphemies above.</p>
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<p>And you too. Looking at the last post above, before yours, it reminded me of a more recent discussion of r and a terms in <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/states-stages-the-wc-lattice-and-the-fold?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A58204" target="_self">this</a> post and several following. This is <em>very</em> scary stuff for a metaphysical absolutist, akin to the Christ and Buddha blasphemies above.</p>
<p></p> Happy Halloween!
tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-10-31:5301756:Comment:586952014-10-31T20:28:27.606ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Happy Halloween!…</p>
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<p>Speaking of Whithead's eternal objects, recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A42503" target="_self">this post</a>:</p>
<p>Here's Shaviro's <a href="http://www.dhalgren.com/" target="_blank">home page</a>. In the "<a href="http://www.dhalgren.com/Othertexts/articles.html" target="_blank">essays and papers</a>" section one can find chapter drafts from his book on Whitehead. This is interesting from chapter 2…</p>
<p>Speaking of Whithead's eternal objects, recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A42503" target="_self">this post</a>:</p>
<p>Here's Shaviro's <a href="http://www.dhalgren.com/" target="_blank">home page</a>. In the "<a href="http://www.dhalgren.com/Othertexts/articles.html" target="_blank">essays and papers</a>" section one can find chapter drafts from his book on Whitehead. This is interesting from chapter 2 on Whitehead's eternal objects:</p>
<p>"Eternal objects thus take on something of the role that universals...Platonic forms and ideas played in older metaphysical systems. But we have already seen that, for Whitehead, 'concrete particular fact' cannot simply 'be built up out of universals'; it is more the other way around. Universals...can and must be abstracted from 'things which are temporal.' But they cannot be conceived by themselves, in the absence of the empirical, temporal entities that they inform. Eternal objects, therefore, are neither a priori logical structures, nor Platonic essences, nor constitutive rational ideas" (18).</p>
<p>Also recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/perennialism-and-pluralism" target="_self">this short thread</a> discussing a paper where Bonnie uses Hartshorne for similar comments.</p> For a more 'grounded' version…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-03-11:5301756:Comment:546092014-03-11T16:31:21.321ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>For a more 'grounded' version of virtuality and potentiality (aka the withdrawn) see our <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/involutionary-givens" target="_self">prior discussion</a> of involutionary givens. Not quite as scary.</p>
<p>For a more 'grounded' version of virtuality and potentiality (aka the withdrawn) see our <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/involutionary-givens" target="_self">prior discussion</a> of involutionary givens. Not quite as scary.</p> See the related horror story…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-03-11:5301756:Comment:545472014-03-11T16:26:42.468ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>See the related horror story in footnote 26 of <a href="http://www.kenwilber.com/Writings/PDF/ExcerptA_KOSMOS_2003.pdf" target="_blank">Excerpt A</a>. A frightening snippet:</p>
<p>"Are there any forms that were laid down as 'memory' in the involutionary sequence and which therefore show up as timelessly given forms that are present at the very start of evolution itself and operative at every point of evolution’s unfolding? As involutionary givens, we have already postulated Eros/Agape and…</p>
<p>See the related horror story in footnote 26 of <a href="http://www.kenwilber.com/Writings/PDF/ExcerptA_KOSMOS_2003.pdf" target="_blank">Excerpt A</a>. A frightening snippet:</p>
<p>"Are there any forms that were laid down as 'memory' in the involutionary sequence and which therefore show up as timelessly given forms that are present at the very start of evolution itself and operative at every point of evolution’s unfolding? As involutionary givens, we have already postulated Eros/Agape and the morphogenetic tilt of manifestation. Are there any others? (That is, are there any a priori forms that are a priori to evolution’s a priori forms?)</p>
<p>"Whitehead believed so: eternal objects, for example (these are things that you have to have before you can have anything else, such as shape, color, etc.). Sheldrake implicitly has a set of involutionary givens. For Sheldrake, there are no archetypal constants or pregiven forms, but in fact he introduces several universal, pregiven constants in order to explain morphic resonance a nd its formative causation. By Sheldrake’s own theory, there are certain categories that must always be the case in order for this theory of morphic resonance and formative causation to be true, and those a priori categories are in fact timeless (or archetypal in that sense). For example, Sheldrake sees the world as composed of energy and form; he sees energy causing energy and form causing form; he sees development occurring; and he sees creativity as essential. All of those—energy, form, causation, development, creativity—are seen to be present everywhere, timelessly, from the start—they do not themselves develop or evolve. They are therefore archetypal by his own standards, at least for this universe.</p>
<p>"Most physicists today believe that when the Big Bang occurred, it seemed to be following certain physical laws described by mathematics. These mathematical matrices therefore must have been present at or before the Big Bang (i.e., as involutionary givens), and not something that came into being after the Big Bang and were then inherited by the future (which would be an evolutionary a priori for subsequent moments, and which do indeed exist; but these mathematical forms appear to be involutionary a priori —not anything created in the past but present all along)" (125-26).</p> Re: Lovecraft's quote about h…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-03-11:5301756:Comment:545462014-03-11T13:51:47.013ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Re: Lovecraft's quote about human systems being native to the universe, I'm reminded of my examination of math as one such supposed nativity. And its related basis for objective and universal structures (Platonic even) of said universe in <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/real-and-false-reason" target="_self">this thread</a>. Frightening indeed. Horrific even. Welcome to the machine.…</p>
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<p>Re: Lovecraft's quote about human systems being native to the universe, I'm reminded of my examination of math as one such supposed nativity. And its related basis for objective and universal structures (Platonic even) of said universe in <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/real-and-false-reason" target="_self">this thread</a>. Frightening indeed. Horrific even. Welcome to the machine.</p>
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</p> Sounds like a good quote for…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-03-11:5301756:Comment:544842014-03-11T05:39:56.687Zkelamunihttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/kelamuni
<p>Sounds like a good quote for certain forms of "object oriented ontology" that eschew anthropomorphism. I'll have to check out that Lovecraft doc above, Balder.</p>
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<p>Sounds like a good quote for certain forms of "object oriented ontology" that eschew anthropomorphism. I'll have to check out that Lovecraft doc above, Balder.</p>
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