David R. Loy - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-28T19:20:52Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-r-loy?id=5301756%3ATopic%3A39891&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI did not have time Sunday to…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-06-17:5301756:Comment:613692015-06-17T16:53:43.985ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>I did not have time Sunday to attend the live discussion. One can listen to it <a href="http://beyondawakeningseries.com/blog/archive/" target="_blank">here</a> at their leisure.</p>
<p>I did not have time Sunday to attend the live discussion. One can listen to it <a href="http://beyondawakeningseries.com/blog/archive/" target="_blank">here</a> at their leisure.</p> Recall this.tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-06-10:5301756:Comment:614412015-06-10T23:29:23.896ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/religion-and-politics?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A11714" target="_self">this</a>.</p>
<p>Recall <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/religion-and-politics?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A11714" target="_self">this</a>.</p> This coming Sunday, David Loy…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-06-10:5301756:Comment:615562015-06-10T05:07:49.451ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>This coming Sunday, David Loy will join Terry Patten in conversation on <a href="http://beyondawakeningseries.com/blog/general/loy-6-15-a/" target="_blank">The Politics of Buddhism (Awakening from Institutionalized Greed, Ill-Will, and Delusion).</a></p>
<p>This coming Sunday, David Loy will join Terry Patten in conversation on <a href="http://beyondawakeningseries.com/blog/general/loy-6-15-a/" target="_blank">The Politics of Buddhism (Awakening from Institutionalized Greed, Ill-Will, and Delusion).</a></p> Hi Bruce - I appreciate the s…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-02-27:5301756:Comment:603412015-02-27T12:40:45.204ZAmbo Sunohttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/AmboSuno
Hi Bruce - I appreciate the scope and framing of Loy's article - values, meaning, and how things are.<br></br>
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I like being reminded in the last paragraph and the sentence in the prior paragraph of this increasingly obvious fly in the ointment of profound understanding.<br></br>
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"We who have language assume we are superior to animals: in fact, our linguistic representations of the world are superior to the world itself, since they can control it.<br></br>
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Hi Bruce - I appreciate the scope and framing of Loy's article - values, meaning, and how things are.<br/>
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I like being reminded in the last paragraph and the sentence in the prior paragraph of this increasingly obvious fly in the ointment of profound understanding.<br/>
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"We who have language assume we are superior to animals: in fact, our linguistic representations of the world are superior to the world itself, since they can control it.<br/>
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Ironically, the sense of a self that uses language is itself an artefact of language -- a linguistic construct. Indo-European languages are dualistically structured in the way they distinguish nouns from verbs, subjects from predicates. To believe that words like I, me, mine, you, yours, etc., correspond to something real ("self-existing" is the Buddhist term) is to be trapped within a linguistic schema. Today we have neuro-scientific explanations of this process that are consistent with what Buddhism has been describing in its own way for 2500 years. And if the entanglement of language and our nervous system is what maintains the self, then we can appreciate why meditation is so important. Meditation enables us to let go of those dualistic linguistic patterns that largely determine our ways of thinking. Meditation helps us to transcend transcendence."<br/>
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One can imagine of course that the prescribed/suggested meditation can be or become another reinforcement of the seemingly inexorable reaching for avoidance via transcendence as well as worldviews that are necessarily limited. Unless one can actually live in a state of meditation that is boundless. Also, of course, I don't know what I am talking about :) A new article by Loy: Toward…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2015-02-25:5301756:Comment:604392015-02-25T22:04:58.592ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>A new article by Loy: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-loy/towards-a-new-buddhist-st_b_2545120.html?utm_hp_ref=buddhism" target="_blank">Towards a New Buddhist Story</a></p>
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<p>"Is a new Buddhist story beginning to develop out of the interaction between Buddhism and the modern world? Both need such a new story. It's not only a matter of seeing the problems with…</p>
<p>A new article by Loy: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-loy/towards-a-new-buddhist-st_b_2545120.html?utm_hp_ref=buddhism" target="_blank">Towards a New Buddhist Story</a></p>
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<p>"Is a new Buddhist story beginning to develop out of the interaction between Buddhism and the modern world? Both need such a new story. It's not only a matter of seeing the problems with modernity: we need to become aware of the difficulties with traditional Buddhist worldviews as well.<br/> <br/> Anyone who is paying attention knows that we are living in a time of crisis -- most obviously, severe ecological and economic challenges. They are interconnected: an economy based on consumerism and perpetual growth is incompatible with the well-being of our biosphere. What is less obvious is that there are also fundamental problems with the <em>story</em> that underlies these crises. By "story" I mean our basic way of understanding who we are, what the world is, and our role in it."</p>
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<p>Continued <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-loy/towards-a-new-buddhist-st_b_2545120.html?utm_hp_ref=buddhism" target="_blank">here</a>.</p> I haven't seen this yet, but…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-12-04:5301756:Comment:593042014-12-04T20:04:33.853ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>I haven't seen this yet, but it sounds interesting..</p>
<p><br/><a href="http://vimeo.com/84777608" target="_blank">The Cosmos Wakes Up: A New Buddhist Story?</a></p>
<p>I haven't seen this yet, but it sounds interesting..</p>
<p><br/><a href="http://vimeo.com/84777608" target="_blank">The Cosmos Wakes Up: A New Buddhist Story?</a></p> I shared this on the Evolving…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-11-18:5301756:Comment:529532013-11-18T18:22:31.199ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>I shared this on the Evolving Dharma thread, but it is more appropriate here (and relevant today, as the delicate and perilous work on Reactor 4 at Fukushima begins today): Loy on the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-loy/the-three-nuclear-poisons_b_2983534.html" target="_blank">Three Nuclear Poisons</a>.</p>
<p>I shared this on the Evolving Dharma thread, but it is more appropriate here (and relevant today, as the delicate and perilous work on Reactor 4 at Fukushima begins today): Loy on the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-loy/the-three-nuclear-poisons_b_2983534.html" target="_blank">Three Nuclear Poisons</a>.</p> spiritualseeker21 said: But b…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-09-15:5301756:Comment:514732013-09-15T15:32:40.536Zehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/e
<p>spiritualseeker21 said: But back in the point that I was trying to making. I still wanna know how impermanence(anicca) would imply in the 'core' of the Buddhism and the real deal of Buddhism is impermanence, and everything aside from that is not Buddhism.</p>
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<p>The 3 characteristics of existence (AKA the 3 or 4 seals) are accepted by all the yanas.</p>
<p>Here is an attempt to come up with a core.…</p>
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<p>spiritualseeker21 said: But back in the point that I was trying to making. I still wanna know how impermanence(anicca) would imply in the 'core' of the Buddhism and the real deal of Buddhism is impermanence, and everything aside from that is not Buddhism.</p>
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<p>The 3 characteristics of existence (AKA the 3 or 4 seals) are accepted by all the yanas.</p>
<p>Here is an attempt to come up with a core.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Points_Unifying_the_Therav%C4%81da_and_the_Mah%C4%81y%C4%81na" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Points_Unifying_the_Therav%C4%81da_and_the_Mah%C4%81y%C4%81na</a></p> ''A similar charge has been m…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-09-12:5301756:Comment:516422013-09-12T05:00:56.796Zspiritualseeker21http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/spiritualseeker21
''A similar charge has been made against some of the arguments in Integral Spirituality: Wilber doesn't appear to have been able to go altogether beyond making metaphysical-type arguments, either, or appealing to a priori forms.''<br />
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In my current understanding, post-metaphysics should be considered an extension of metaphysics – a (post)-postmodern turn toward integral self-awareness within mature metaphysics – rather than a movement completely beyond it.<br />
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''A similar charge has been made against some of the arguments in Integral Spirituality: Wilber doesn't appear to have been able to go altogether beyond making metaphysical-type arguments, either, or appealing to a priori forms.''<br />
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That's interesting.<br />
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In my current understanding, post-metaphysics should be considered an extension of metaphysics – a (post)-postmodern turn toward integral self-awareness within mature metaphysics – rather than a movement completely beyond it.<br />
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Like Layman Pascal said, post-metaphysical approach, a MOA, in his suggestion, always should be in a place of love.<br />
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In fact, mostly of Integralist, even if they have criticisms that are valid, they mostly don't know fully metaphysics and think that theistic-mythic like thinking is the same of metaphysics. In fact, mostly comes from progressist, positivist, and some of 'continentals/analitics'(a very narrow dichotomy) background and never read Aristotle or Plato and his various possible interpretations, they don't have the necessity to do so, but it should be a necessity when becomes a theoretic discussion.<br />
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But back in the point that I was trying to making. I still wanna know how impermanence(anicca) would imply in the 'core' of the Buddhism and the real deal of Buddhism is impermanence, and everything aside from that is not Buddhism. In fact, the thinking that there a core 'un-mixture' doctrine is a kind of metaphysical thinking(and in the video of David Loy, this was just a small commentary in his long discourse about non-duality , ethics, social engaging and so on) because historically speaking, the traditions influenced each other in so many ways, in the sense that we could argue that Taoism 'stole' from Buddhism, and Vedanta stole from Madhyamaka and Vajrayana stole from Trika and so on<br />
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And imply that what was brought up by us by the theravadins suttas represent Buddhism(that, strictly speaking, what we can see mostly of aniccavada) To comment on Buddhist dualit…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-09-09:5301756:Comment:515542013-09-09T18:03:30.269ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>To comment on Buddhist duality then might lead to the inevitable conclusion that nonduality is a myth. But only in how we define it. If by duality whereby the compliments are completely separate and in opposition, either/or, the sure, that is 'bad' duality. But if by nonduality we mean that the compliments are in mutual entailment, including nirvana and samsara, that's a different story. And even the latter duality is dual, in that there is a healthy, balanced and functional way for…</p>
<p>To comment on Buddhist duality then might lead to the inevitable conclusion that nonduality is a myth. But only in how we define it. If by duality whereby the compliments are completely separate and in opposition, either/or, the sure, that is 'bad' duality. But if by nonduality we mean that the compliments are in mutual entailment, including nirvana and samsara, that's a different story. And even the latter duality is dual, in that there is a healthy, balanced and functional way for nirvana/samsara to operate and also the dysfunctional variety. Formal (metaphysical) duality is duality per se; postformal (postmetaphysical) duality is nonduality per se. Maybe?</p>