David Michael Levin (Redux) - Integral Post-Metaphysical Spirituality2024-03-29T09:38:55Zhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A52655&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSaw this quote on FB today...…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2014-07-06:5301756:Comment:573112014-07-06T17:29:15.542ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Saw this quote on FB today...</p>
<p>"Symbols do not represent; rather, they relate to what we want to say in much the way that feeding relates to hunger. Feeding does not represent hunger; nor is there a hidden feeding underneath hunger." (David Michael Levin, "Language Beyond Postmodernism")</p>
<p>Saw this quote on FB today...</p>
<p>"Symbols do not represent; rather, they relate to what we want to say in much the way that feeding relates to hunger. Feeding does not represent hunger; nor is there a hidden feeding underneath hunger." (David Michael Levin, "Language Beyond Postmodernism")</p> Beautifully put, theurj. Yes…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-11-10:5301756:Comment:526562013-11-10T17:21:25.766ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Beautifully put, theurj. Yes. Collectively embodied alchemy.</p>
<p>Beautifully put, theurj. Yes. Collectively embodied alchemy.</p> What this brought up for me i…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-11-10:5301756:Comment:526552013-11-10T06:26:21.487ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>What this brought up for me is partner dance. Talk about the flesh as crucible for creative transformation via deep listening/feeling with another. And through this partnership in art communicating that to an audience, all without words, just bodies moving to the music, connecting us on a deep felt level from our ancient heritage. That is what the word disclosure meant for me when reading the above. How we disclose our very personal selves through this art, lay bare our deepest feelings,…</p>
<p>What this brought up for me is partner dance. Talk about the flesh as crucible for creative transformation via deep listening/feeling with another. And through this partnership in art communicating that to an audience, all without words, just bodies moving to the music, connecting us on a deep felt level from our ancient heritage. That is what the word disclosure meant for me when reading the above. How we disclose our very personal selves through this art, lay bare our deepest feelings, hopes and fears through our movement, and how this disclosure or unveiling resonates to the audience and they feel it too. Philosophy in the flesh indeed.</p> Early in the talk, Levin's di…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-11-10:5301756:Comment:528432013-11-10T03:27:42.646ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>Early in the talk, Levin's discussion of the alchemical change worked in the flesh of the world, when we or other beings attend deeply to the body, another human being, a worm, an orchid or animal, reminded me of Bonnie's collective insight project -- so I want to highlight it here. The flesh is an alchemical crucible, where deep listening of one being to another works creative change: a play of transformation and alembication, as he says at the beginning of the talk. This relates, of…</p>
<p>Early in the talk, Levin's discussion of the alchemical change worked in the flesh of the world, when we or other beings attend deeply to the body, another human being, a worm, an orchid or animal, reminded me of Bonnie's collective insight project -- so I want to highlight it here. The flesh is an alchemical crucible, where deep listening of one being to another works creative change: a play of transformation and alembication, as he says at the beginning of the talk. This relates, of course, to Bonnie's concern with insight, with co-emergent truth.<br/><br/>At around 1:08:46, Levin begins a beautiful reflection on Heidegger's conception of aletheia and the interplay of the elements. Listening to it, I was struck again that I am not entirely satisfied with the term, alethia (or unconcealment). The notion of "unconcealing" still seems to hew too closely (in my ear) to a mirror-of-nature view, where consciousness is able ultimately to expose or capture the given thing-in-itself. I believe *some* sense of this is still important to carry forward, but the conception remains a bit too static for me -- and doesn't get at the profoundly relational, participatory sense of truth that Heidegger's meditation on the temple suggests. The way Heidegger shows the temple, in its being, to gather, evoke, reflect the elements of air (sky, ether), earth, water (raging sea), and fire (sun and moon), suggests to me a participatory or relational understanding of truth as co-invocation, mutual sounding, inter-reflection or -enaction. <br/><br/>There is one context where I would feel more comfortable with a word like unconcealment or disclosure. In some earlier writings, I played with two related terms: generative (en)closure [whether of the body, or temple, or tradition, or discipline] and dis-enclosure. With the latter, I meant to invoke a sense of body and temple alike as generative sources of vision, of knowledge and insight, where in their very (autopoietic) closure they enable unique forms and modes of enactment: they establish lineages. I was thinking here of von Uexkull's biosemiotic notion of bubbles. Talking to Bobby Richards about these ideas, he suggested I introduce a third term, disclosure, for a trinitarian play: generative (en)closure, disclosure, dis-enclosure. In this context, disclosure is inseparable from the formation of generative (en)closures, spaces which allow for the "amplification of light" or vision. Here, disclosure is how beings self-other, how they disclose themselves uniquely within the autopoietic regimes or resonant chambers or alchemical chambers of other beings.... Here, disclosure is a self-revealing, but it is self-revealing through self-othering.<br/><br/>What do you think?</p> Alchemy of the Third Millenn…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-11-10:5301756:Comment:528422013-11-10T00:34:05.355ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
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<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/16882568">Alchemy of the Third Millennium, Day 2, 1/2</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3642071">Artek oy ab</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
<p>David Michael Kleinberg-Levin: <em>Meditation:</em> <em>Notes for Living with the Elements</em></p>
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<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/16882568">Alchemy of the Third Millennium, Day 2, 1/2</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user3642071">Artek oy ab</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
<p>David Michael Kleinberg-Levin: <em>Meditation:</em> <em>Notes for Living with the Elements</em></p> I could have shared this stor…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-06-23:5301756:Comment:487742013-06-23T17:30:19.084ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>I could have shared this story about animal speech many different places, from the thread on <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/becoming-animal" target="_self">Becoming Animal</a> or just in O'Kenny's Pub, but I am putting it here for fun, to complement <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A9508" target="_self">Levin's book</a> on the presence of the pre-human and non-human in our own…</p>
<p>I could have shared this story about animal speech many different places, from the thread on <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/becoming-animal" target="_self">Becoming Animal</a> or just in O'Kenny's Pub, but I am putting it here for fun, to complement <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A9508" target="_self">Levin's book</a> on the presence of the pre-human and non-human in our own speech:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/06/21/science-prairie-dog-language-decoded.html" target="_blank">Scientists Decode Prairie Dog Language</a></p>
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<p>And here's a separate interesting article about <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2346860/Plants-perform-complex-mathematical-equations-night-prevent-starvation-feed-sunrise.html" target="_blank">plants doing math</a>!</p> A new book by Levin forthcomi…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-04-12:5301756:Comment:474872013-04-12T18:08:07.821ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>A new book by Levin forthcoming: <a href="http://www.sunypress.edu/p-5732-redeeming-words.aspx" target="_blank">Redeeming Words.</a></p>
<p>A new book by Levin forthcoming: <a href="http://www.sunypress.edu/p-5732-redeeming-words.aspx" target="_blank">Redeeming Words.</a></p> Since we've re-opened this ca…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2013-02-15:5301756:Comment:454112013-02-15T01:48:54.580ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>Since we've re-opened this can here, I'll type up parts of pp. 47-8 of <em>The Opening of Vision</em> below. Quote:</p>
<p>5, the ontological body: This is a hermeneutical body because i) it is accessible only through hermeneutical phenomenology and ii) it is itself hermeneutical, i.e., disclosive of the presencing of being.</p>
<p>4, the transpersonal body: This is our ancestral body, the ancient body of our collective unconscious, that dimension of our bodily being through which we…</p>
<p>Since we've re-opened this can here, I'll type up parts of pp. 47-8 of <em>The Opening of Vision</em> below. Quote:</p>
<p>5, the ontological body: This is a hermeneutical body because i) it is accessible only through hermeneutical phenomenology and ii) it is itself hermeneutical, i.e., disclosive of the presencing of being.</p>
<p>4, the transpersonal body: This is our ancestral body, the ancient body of our collective unconscious, that dimension of our bodily being through which we experience our connectedness with all sentient beings, our participation in nature's organic processes, and the cessation of our total identification with the conventional time and space of our socialized ego. Religions use ceremonies and rituals to schematize and bring forth such a body.</p>
<p>3, the ego-logical body: This is the civil body, socially constituted in the economy of a body politic. It is personal and interpersonal, and consists in masks, roles, habits, routines, and social practices. It is formed through child-rearing practices, education and participation in social structures.</p>
<p>2, the pre-personal body: This body is pre-civil and pre-egological. It is the body of the infant and child: a body adults still carry with them, however split off it might be; a body which adults can retrieve through memory or a relaxation of defenses, letting it take part in life involuntarily and spontaneously.</p>
<p>1, the primordial body: This is the wild body, the dreambody, the animal body, the body of nature, the vegetative body rooted in the earth. This body can only be invoked with the language of metaphors, symbols, stories, legends, fairy tales, myths, poetry and dreams. This body is both pre-egological and pre-ontologial. It carries around with it a dark, implicate pre-understanding of Being: a subsidiary guardian awareness of the meaningfulness of Being.</p>
<p>Development from stage 1 to 3 is normal and typically completed when the child becomes an adult. Stages 4 and 5, however, represent stages of individual development that require special effort, commitment, and maturity. Stages 1 and 2 are basically biological. Stage 3 is distinctively cultural.... The ego-logical body is the body shaped according to the ego's image of itself. But stages 4 and 5 go beyond what society requires. We might call them 'spiritual' stages.</p>
<p>Normal development (stages 1-3) is always, more or less, a linear progression, but the progression beyond 3 is not; it is essentially hermeneutical, involving a return, a turning <i>into</i> the body of experience, to retrieve a present sense of the earlier stages. Beyond 3 it is necessary to go 'backwards' in order to go 'forwards.' Stage 3 is the moment when, for the first time, this return and retrieval is possible.</p> That would be a fine way to g…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-02-22:5301756:Comment:399092012-02-22T15:31:06.207ZBalderhttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/BruceAlderman
<p>That would be a fine way to go.</p>
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<p>I can't sing, but I used to play ocarina with the birds out in the canyons of Az. That's how I explored and slowly figured out the ocarina, my first wind instrument -- trying to follow what the birds were doing, or to get them interested and draw them into a conversation.</p>
<p>That would be a fine way to go.</p>
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<p>I can't sing, but I used to play ocarina with the birds out in the canyons of Az. That's how I explored and slowly figured out the ocarina, my first wind instrument -- trying to follow what the birds were doing, or to get them interested and draw them into a conversation.</p> The part about how animals te…tag:integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com,2012-02-22:5301756:Comment:400112012-02-22T13:49:07.744ZEdward theurj Bergehttp://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/profile/theurj
<p>The part about how animals teach us to sing and dance reminds me of <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A4182" target="_self">this post</a> earlier in the thread. I still sing with the birds and still imagine it will be my last living act.</p>
<p>The part about how animals teach us to sing and dance reminds me of <a href="http://integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com/forum/topics/david-michael-levin-redux?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A4182" target="_self">this post</a> earlier in the thread. I still sing with the birds and still imagine it will be my last living act.</p>