Just got around to reading the first half of the start of this post. Pretty heady or technical writing that is not easy for me to understand, but as I read I matched more and more the gist of what seemed to have been said there to an insight I had independently before ever reading the post: \u00a0I was thinking about the reality of video-game-like frames of reality stacked in depth levels, where the deeper levels are more \"real\" in terms of \"total reality\" or \"overall reality,\" and yet the surface levels of reality are quite real in and of themselves. If you are in a video game or God's dream, the objects in that video game or dream are still \"real.\" They may not be ultimately real, but if you are there and interacting with them, they are real. To say they are but an illusion is not very realistic. They are. They are what they are -- most totally real or not. They are as real as that program depth level allows. And even if the program is superficial and in many ways but an illusion as compared to the deeper levels of total reality, it is, in an up-creating (Kevin Kelly) sort of way, a legitimate or \"real\" part of total reality too. Theologically if our \"standing out,\" existing, here in this physical dimension represents only the created, not the Creator, the Creator's alleged desire for us to love Him, Her, or It out of our free will choice is something quite real that creates a more complete Creator. A Creator loved by the created is more full, complete, whole. The Whole One is made even more whole by His created objects\/beings. The Seventh Day of the Genesis Creation story reflects that up-creation phenomenon. The Creator gets a sense of perfection or goodness from his otherwise arbitray constructions. The artwork uplifts and fulfills the Artist. Interesting that God's greatest power is not during days 1-6 when objects were being made. The greatest power is contemplative awareness of the interconnections or relationships of the objects with the Source Itself. The Power of the Seventh Day was a non-physical group hug. It was a mentally achieved synergy. The lesser objects then danced in the total chemistry of life. They danced in the darkness from which they seemed to emerge at the very start of the Creation construction process. On day Seven, God saw \"inistence\" (lying or resting in) within and through the \"standing out,\" existence. Inistence, like Bohm and Hiley's \"implicate order,\" makes the objects in Relationship to all that possibly can be. Inistence becomes the vantage point from which all the video games and dreams that unfold from the Dreamer\/Creator\/Mind can be seen as super or supra objects, in relation to Mind itself.\u00a0<\/p>\n
\u00a0More down to earth, in a little old human mind: while dreaming I can see the object in my dream. If I sense that the object is an outflow of my mind that is creating the drama that is my reality in the dream, then the object is still real but is no longer as firmly attached to the level of reality of the dream frame or reference. If you were to ask me during this more lucid dream state, \"Is that object there real?,\" I would be able to insightfully reply \"The object is real, but it is not there, because there is no real there there.\" The object's reality is only truly \"located\" in the mind itself. The projection is located in the projector's light energy flow outward onto some screen (or cave wall). The apparent \"there\" of the reality frame is not really there at all. God's Creation was not \"good\" because it was really there. It was good because the projection from Mind was contemplatively reclaimed as seamlessly connected to Mind or Creator or Projetor itself. The seventh day was a realization of the unified field of all of Creation. It \"located\" all objects in Mind, which is neither here, there, or any where.<\/p>\n
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Objects are irreducibly real, but \"thereless.\" The object is there, but there is no there there. Not really really.\u00a0<\/p>\n
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