({"html":"<dl class=\"discussion clear i0 xg_lightborder\">\n    <dt class=\"byline\">\n        <a name=\"5301756:Comment:58954\" id=\"cid-5301756:Comment:58954\"><\/a>         <span class=\"xg_avatar\"><a class=\"fn url\" href=\"http:\/\/integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com\/profile\/DarrellRMoneyhon\"  title=\"Darrell R. Moneyhon\"><span class=\"table_img dy-avatar dy-avatar-48 \"><img  class=\"photo photo left\" src=\"http:\/\/storage.ning.com\/topology\/rest\/1.0\/file\/get\/2535949176?profile=RESIZE_48X48&amp;width=48&amp;height=48&amp;crop=1%3A1\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/a><\/span><a name=\"5301756Comment58954\" href=\"http:\/\/integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com\/xn\/detail\/5301756:Comment:58954\" title=\"Permalink to this Reply\" class=\"xg_icon xg_icon-permalink\">Permalink<\/a> Reply by <a href=\"http:\/\/integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com\/forum\/topic\/listForContributor?user=1u7szincy8x3z\" class=\"fn url\">Darrell R. Moneyhon<\/a> on <span class=\"timestamp\">November 10, 2014 at 8:47am<\/span>    <\/dt>\n        <dd>\n                        <div class=\"description\" id=\"desc_5301756Comment58954\"><div class=\"xg_user_generated\"><p>Objects are more or less independent of relations if viewed from the surface realm where \"classical objects\" are the content of \"reality.\" But if reality actually has a real (\"ontological,\" as the physicists are prone to say) depth dimension\/axis to it, then object independence is \"not so much.\" Instead quantum entanglement is the rule. The rules of the \"game\" are different in the quantum substratum of reality (at this point we might need to introduce a term like total reality, so as to distinguish a depth-dynamic reality from the surface aspect of total reality that we are so accustomed to calling \"reality.\"). Bohm and Hiley say that part of the \"rules\" in the quantum substratum is that it is \"non-local.\" If viewed horozontally (on the level of the quantum substratum or \"progam,\" since it is analogous to a computer video program in which the \"game\" has different rules and goals and means and values) then \"simple location\" (Whitehead) no longer applies. At the surface, in the realm of \"classical objects,\" the rule of simple location applies, but does not apply in the \"lower\/deeper\" game, in reality's basement, so to speak. Other rules are different as well. For instance in the surface game, things are moved around or rearranged mostly by action. But at the quantum or subquantum levels of reality something more like mental intention or focalized awareness that chooses to visualize and stack the quantum probability cards in a certain direction seems to be how the smudgy objects there are moved and rearranged.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I did a \"basement\" consciousness experiment the other day. Whether it was just a thought experiment like Einstien's trolly car thought experiment or was an actual physical-interacting experiment I do not know for sure. But I'm inclined to think there was some crossover into the surface. That is to say that I believe that my \"actions\" (my kinesthetically felt visualizations) in the basement may actually have had an effect on the first floor level of the \"house\" of reality.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>How many times while rooting for our team during a sports event to we want to \"wish\" them into success. Modern flatland reality can see this only as primitive magical thinking. It is but voodo fantasy, and it doesn't seem to be able to make our team win anyway. The avid fan looks for rituals to try to link the mental intention sort of \"act\" with the actual physical game in which his or her team is participating. Several funny TV commercials show these bizzare superstitious rituals. We assume it is a kind of playful insanity that adds ambiance to the sport. We endorse a little of this kind of insanity, even though it's not \"real.\"\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Or ... do we sense that there might be some means to do this \"magic,\" despite our rational mind's acknowledgement that there is no statistical advantage to wearing a certain hat or doing a certain dance or closing our eyes (the ultimate act of sacrafice!), which might actually work even though those don't really work. In other words, on some (deeper) level do we really believe in something like a mind-directed quantum mechanics? \u00a0Those irrational superstitious rituals may not work, but they point us in the direction of some similar mental action that does work at least some of the time or to some degree. If reality up here at the surface realm of classical objects is more like standing on the edge of a cliff than we realize (tha cause and effect relationship is more precarious than we assume) then the subtlest of mental intention nudges might push the outcome either over the cliff or back onto the familiar ground of good old more or less linear cause and effect. Those insane magical rituals are just symbols our intuitive belief in a similar reality over-ride. But it would not be a reality over-ride if in fact reality has a basement (or multiple basements) that can somehow crossover into the surface game, similar to a video gamer using a \"cheat code.\"\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Here's my experiment:\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My oldest son, Adam, was playing an adult league recreational indoor soccer game. Since the whole thing was not all that important, I thought it might be a good chance to see if I could \"care\" inwardly but without caring too much or allowing high-resistance effort to prevent the basement activity from crossing over into the activity on the first floor. I had practiced other inside-out visualizations recently, so the type of mental exercise did not seem that strange to me. These two factors, low caring and relative familiarity seemed to be a good set-up for my quantum mechanics experiment.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My son's team was behind 1-0 at halftime. I decided to begin to center in the basement of reality, not quite at the actual game level but in an imagined space of potential actions below it. The key, or so I hypothesised is to allow my mind to successfully straddle the basement level potentiality with the first floor actuality. To tilt one way or the other too much would prevent successful crossover of quantum influence upon causal events in the actual soccer game.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I began to \"see\" and \"feel\" potential paths of my son's team's ball-kicks into their goal. I started off vaguely envisioning walls on the other end in order to divert the other team's kicks from going in their goal. I kind of put a force field up to protect my son's team from being scored on.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0I soon noticed that a greater frequency of ball trajetories did seem to stream toward near scores while I was maintaining the \"successful\" visioning. Before long my son's team did score, tying the game.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>While I thought my invisible force field had helped also with defense, it soon seemed to break down and my son's opponents scored about three or four straight goals in a fairly short time.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I was of course tempted to end the experiment since it was obviously not working. But then I recalled the feeling sense I had of a loose connection between my envisionings and the actual events. I also told myself that I probably suck at actually doing the quantum mechanics very effectively, so perhaps the execution, not the theory, was the problem.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My mind then sensed that some of my ineffectiveness might have been the duality nature of my helping out with my son's team's defense. A separate function for blocking shots is not using the whole energy field enough. A mental gap was allowed between defense and offense. I was letting first floor assumptions interfere with the basement game's rules.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So I visualized a u-turn or hook stream of motion. I forgot to say earlier than my visualizations were of streams of light. They were seen as lightlike but felt as grooves. I was sculpting light grooves in the \"basement\" just below the actual soccer game.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This modification seemed to \"work.\" Now more and more of the action tilted towards my son's team's likelihood of scoring. Within one minute to go my son's team was only one point down. And the momentum was still going their way. Then during one of their offensive drives one of their players got injured (It looked like the ACL injury l got myself and my younger son also got later on while playing indoor soccer). This ate up the clock, preventing any chances to tie the game.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Like the fans in the beer commercials I felt as though I had shifted the momentum of the game. When I told Adam he took it as mere superstition. And I admitted that it might well have been, but that at the very least the exercise seemed to leave some sort of \"strands of soft hope\" in me. It was a faith exercise, but one that absolutely required the belief in a depth-dimension to reality. Otherwise it was not faith but was encantations and magic. The whole exercise was about revealing something deeper than ego and regular making-things-happen by physical force or other \"control\" dynamics.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>One other thing was clear to me. There was no direct relationship between any specific envisioned light groove and specific actual outcomes (scores). The effect (if real at all) was indirect and somewhat time-delayed as though requiring a build-up of the energy of directive thoughts.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Part of the reason I was willing to engage in such insanity was that once while I was in an outdoor game I saw myself make a header goal. Seconds later I almost scored a header goal (hit the post and bounced out). I Never, ever, managed to score a header goal. My skills for soccer were very low, and the chance of the vision happening to correspond with reality was next to zero. This had the feel of a high syncronicity event, possibly psychoid event in which me mental intention almost overrode normal reality. I also had a dream on night that my basketball skills were like magic. The next day I could sling the ball up about any way I wanted and it would go through the hoop. It was the \"hottest\" I've ever been at shooting a basketball. Another time I was unusually focussed on the horseshoe post while playing horseshoes at a church picnic. My concentration was off the hook during that period of time. I am not even a skillfull horseshoe player and have seldom played and never practiced. And yet I was hitting one ringer after another. Soon a small crowd of observers gathered around. Not long after that I began to be aware of reality or ego or both and the unbelievable streak became believably over.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The modern version is of course the motivational clarity of such concentrations\/visualization unlocking my human potential to score at basketball and horseshoes. But this is why my basement soccer game experiment was significant. I was not in this game. Except by means of a quantum basement.<\/p>\n<p>I am currently inclined to believe that \"grace is within our grasp,\" but only if we can lower our mental resistance and float to the basement of reality. At that level \"our\" and \"success\" is much different, not nearly as cut and dried. More transpersonal and more more-or-less.<\/p>\n<p>darrell\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><cite>theurj said:<\/cite><\/p>\n<blockquote cite=\"http:\/\/integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com\/forum\/topics\/object-oriented-ontology?commentId=5301756%3AComment%3A58950&amp;xg_source=msg_com_forum#5301756Comment58950\"><div><div class=\"xg_user_generated\"><p>Bryant in\u00a0<a rel=nofollow href=\"http:\/\/larvalsubjects.wordpress.com\/2014\/11\/05\/notes-towards-a-difference-ontology-part-i\/#more-7787\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a> recent post:<\/p>\n<p>\"In the past I\u2019ve argued that objects are independent of their relations.\u00a0 Today I think this view is erroneous.\"<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote><\/div><\/div>\n                <\/dd>\n        <dd>\n        <ul class=\"actionlinks\">\n            <li class=\"actionlink\">\n                            <p class=\"toggle\">\n                    <a href=\"http:\/\/integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com\/main\/authorization\/signUp?target=http%3A%2F%2Fintegralpostmetaphysics.ning.com%2Fforum%2Fcomment%2Fshow%3Fid%3D5301756%253AComment%253A58954%26xn_out%3Djson%26firstPage%3D0%26lastPage%3D1%26xg_token%3D756ab84d28f638860d818b4ac8e2f554%26_%3D1415634433285\" dojoType=\"PromptToJoinLink\" _joinPromptText=\"Please sign up or sign in to complete this step.\" _hasSignUp=\"true\" _signInUrl=\"http:\/\/integralpostmetaphysics.ning.com\/main\/authorization\/signIn?target=http%3A%2F%2Fintegralpostmetaphysics.ning.com%2Fforum%2Fcomment%2Fshow%3Fid%3D5301756%253AComment%253A58954%26xn_out%3Djson%26firstPage%3D0%26lastPage%3D1%26xg_token%3D756ab84d28f638860d818b4ac8e2f554%26_%3D1415634433285\"><span><!--[if IE]>&#9658;<![endif]--><![if !IE]>&#9654;<![endif]><\/span> Reply<\/a>\n                <\/p>\n                    <\/li>\n    <li class=\"actionlink\"><\/li>    <\/ul>\n<\/dl>","positionOfNewComment":"bottomOfPage","threaded":false})